Posted on 09/23/2022 7:22:28 AM PDT by Kazan
Voting for membership in the Russian Federation has started in four oblast of Ukraine:
Russian proxy officials in four regions — Donetsk and Luhansk in the east, and Kherson and Zaporizka in the south — earlier this week announced plans to hold referendums over four days beginning on Friday. Russia controls nearly all of two of the four regions, Luhansk and Kherson, but only a fraction of the other two, Zaporizka and Donetsk.
Ukrainian officials have dismissed the voting as grotesque theater — staging polls in cities laid to waste by Russian forces and abandoned by most residents.
President Volodymyr Zelensky thanked Ukraine’s allies for their steadfast support and said “the farce” of “sham referenda” would do nothing to change his nation’s fight to drive Russia from Ukraine.
The Ukrainian regime has resorted to pure terrorism to prevent the votes from happening:
Ukrainian partisans, sometimes working with special operations forces, have blown up warehouses holding ballots and buildings where Russian proxy officials preparing for the vote held meetings. Ukrainian officials have acknowledged that they are engaged in a campaign to assassinate key Russian administration officials; more than a dozen have been blown up, shot and poisoned, according to Ukrainian and Russian officials. Such behavior by the Zelenski regime against its still Ukrainian compatriots will only encourage the people in the four oblast to vote for an alignment with Russia.
The propaganda in the 'west' will declare that the vote is irregular and that the results, likely to be pro-Russian, will be fake.
But a view on historic election outcomes since Ukrainian independence in 1991 show clear geographic preferences in east and south Ukraine for pro-Russian policies:
(graphs at link)
The graphic above is from research published by the Eurasian Research Institute of the International Hoca Ahmet Yesevi Turkish-Kazakh University. Its author writes:
As we can see, the have always been a clear-cut geographical split in the way the regions of Ukraine vote for particular candidates. The East and West division or also referred as Southeast and Northwest division was always present throughout the electoral history of the independent Ukraine. It is conventionally believed that the eastern part of Ukraine is more influenced by Russia politically, economically and culturally. Therefore, the presidential candidates proposing more pro-Russian agenda usually gain much more political support in eastern regions than in other parts of Ukraine. On the other hand, the western part of the country has traditionally been more pro-European with strong reference to traditional core Ukrainian ethnic traditions and values. Consequently, presidential candidates with pro-European political agenda and traditional Ukrainian appeal usually had strong support in western regions of the country. It is interesting to note that preferences of the electorate were not related to the geographical origin or background of the presidential candidates and any candidate could easily become popular in the east as well as in the west. Moreover, the same candidate could be both pro-eastern and pro-western in different periods of time as did Leonid Kuchma in 1994 and 1999, who is the only Ukrainian president to serve two consecutive terms from 1994 to 2005.
The division is consistent with ethnic and linguistic differences between those parts of Ukraine.
In 2014, after the violent fascist coup in Kiev, one of the first laws implemented by the new government removed the Russian language from official use.Instead of overcoming the differences between its people it only sealed the predominant split in Ukraine.
The election promise of the current Ukrainian president Vladimir Zelenski to make peace with the Russia aligned rebellious Donbas region by adhering to the Minsk 2 agreements was rewarded with a large share of southeastern votes for his presidency. However, after having been threatened with death by fascists, Zelenski has made a 180 degree turn and has since posed as Ukrainian nationalist. In consequence he has lost all support in southeastern Ukraine.
The southeastern parts of today's Ukraine have for centuries been part of the central Russian empire. They were only attached to the Soviet Republic of Ukraine under Lenin's rule in 1922 and, in the case of Crimea, in 1954 under Nikita Khrushchev who himself had grown up in the Donbas region.
A likely high turnout and majority vote for membership in the Russian Federation will only correct the historic misalignment created by those illogical transfers.
Zelensky did say that anyone who supports Russia should leave Ukraine. If this vote goes as expected, Zelensky will get his wish.
It’s the Fourth Reich versus the Russian Empire in a war for grain and coal.
81 second summary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GT113PZZiME
Quite the nifty plan, all right.
You could look at a map of Russia and see the same in the territory that currently makes that nation up.
You and I getting involved in the near term future of these people is like being drawn into the static climate argument. This area has changed hands multiple, multiple times over the past 100+ years. Generally the change has been much more deadly than this bloodbath. Picking a point in their history and saying “this is the perfect scenario” is the same folly the climate hucksters fall into.
I wonder if it will take them 2 weeks to count the votes?
Wait. What?!
US and NATO had no problems, whatsoever, in tearing apart Serbia to create Kosovo with a ‘sham’ referendum but all of a sudden, the US and NATO are hellbent to not accept the current Referenda In Ukraine? Wait. What!?
And to think Putin/Russia warned at the time that the US and NATO were setting a dangerous illegal precedent, by force of arms, that they - the US and NATO - might later come to regret.
WAIT. WHAT!?!
Everyone needs to remember that this entire shiite show is the result of Obama’s overthrow of Ukrainian Democracy in 2014. While there were divisions between East/South and West Ukraine, they were able to amicably work together UNTIL Obama’s violent Revolution disenfranchised 50% of Ukrainian voters.
The propaganda in the ‘west’ will declare that the vote is irregular and that the results, likely to be pro-Russian, will be fake.
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In America, so characterizing the 2020 general elections is “treason”, “insurrection” and cause for SWAT team arrests, indefinite incarceration under terrorism laws, and torture.
This is true even after exhaustive investigation producing irrefutable evidence of fraud.
Anywhere a Republican wins, going forward, will be declared
“irregular and that the results... will be fake.”
Anywhere theft, fraud, violence and intimidation produces a D win will be “the most secure and honest election in history.”
Supporting the officially sanctioned narrative of *the West* is active collusion in the globalist takeover of the planet.
“We didn’t love freedom enough.”
But we didn’t annex them did we?
There was something about a genocide that was going on.
I remember pictures of streams of refugees.
Not entirely sure we backed the right people in that conflict. Mostly because I expect Christians to be doing the right things and Muslims to be aggressive and do the wrong things. But the fact that NATO agreed with us, and they were closer to the situation, says we probably were in the right.
In any event, I don’t think anyone can say we acted out of greed. We didn’t take any natural resources or annex any lands.
The stench of hypocrisy and double standards grows with each passing day with this Referendum in Ukraine from the US, the EU, and NATO, and within FR.
The hypocrisy is Russia’s.
Claiming to be freeing people by leveling their cities.
It’s not even that. All the big battles in 2014 were fought by the Russian military illegally without insignia. Donetsk airport, Illovaisk, Debaltseve, etc. A totally astroturfed and fake Civil War in the finest KGB tradition.
Even in a war torn country, the election o referendum doesn’t stop for overflowing toilets and power outages. Amazing. /s
You use mirrors in your house, apartment or parent’s basement?
Again, the UTTER stench of hypocrisy and double standards grows with each passing day with this Referendum in Ukraine from the US, the EU, and NATO, and within FR. Fact.
Poor fascist Ukraine. They extort massive amounts of weapons and financial aid from their “partners.” They develop a first class counter offensive plan with the Pentagon. They train their new forces (20,000) safely in NATO countries and hold them back waiting for the big move.
It comes and it sputters into failure with enormous losses in Kherson; but owing to the limited Russian forces already engaged in a withdraw process manages to take back a large swath of abandoned territory in Kharkov (though again losing huge amounts of manpower.)
They, along with the jubilent Western media, celebrate their success. “Game changer” “tide has turned” Well, it certainly did turn. It turned Putin’s “special military operation” into a 300,000 mobilization and referendums which will result in Russian annexation of 20% of Ukraine’s original territory. Not exactly what they planned. And to make matters worse for them it also “turned” the limited Russian/Ukraine military conflict into a NATO/Russia war which based on the early NATO statements suggests “Miss Otis regrets she is unable to attend your function.” Sorry Ukraine you have served our purpose, but we ain’t getting into a war with Russia.
“Where is the moment we needed the most?
You kick up the leaves, and the magic is lost
They tell me your blue sky’s faded to gray
They tell me your passion’s gone away
And I don’t need no carrying on
You stand in the line just to hit a new low
You’re faking a smile with the coffee to go
You tell me your life’s been way off line
You’re falling to pieces every time
And I don’t need no carrying on
‘Cause you had a bad day
You’re taking one down
You sing a sad song just to turn it around
You say you don’t know
You tell me, “don’t lie”
You work at a smile, and you go for a ride
You had a bad day
The camera don’t lie
You’re coming back down, and you really don’t mind
You had a bad day
You had a bad day
Well you need a blue sky holiday
The point is they laugh at what you say
Sometimes the system goes on the blink
And the whole thing, it turns out wrong
You might not make it back and you know
That you could be well, oh, that strong
And I’m not wrong (yeah, yeah, yeah)
So where is the passion when you need it the most?
Oh, you and I
You kick up the leaves and the magic is lost
‘Cause you had a bad day
You’re taking one down
You sing a sad song just to turn it around
You say you don’t know
You tell me don’t lie
You work at a smile and you go for a ride
You had a bad day
You see what you like
And how does it feel one more time?
You had a bad day
You had a bad day”
This morning’s Ukraine General Staff report:
Russian artillery conducted 4 missile strikes and 27 air strikes, conducted over 75 shelling with MLRS against 45 settlements across Ukraine, including Pechenihy, Pryshyb, Yarova, Spirne, Vesele, Bakhmut, Maryinka, Krasnohorivka, Kostyantynivka, Neskuchne, Poltavka, Yehorivka, Bezimenne, Kryvyi Rih, Bilohirya, Zaporizhzhia, Bilohirka, Pervomaiske, Mykolaiv, Ochakiv, Vysokopillia, Sukhiy Stavok, Myrolyubvika, Novohryhorivka, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the morning report
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