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1 posted on 09/10/2022 8:54:45 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal
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To: Roman_War_Criminal
It does not make sense to get these vaccines unless you are truly in an “at risk” population. Only if in such a population, should it even be considered, and possibly then, still not taken.

Get your immunity from natural infection on this, whenever possible.

Besides, even the updated vaccines aren't hitting the current crop of SARS-Cov-2 the best, and this is still ignoring the issues behind mRNA approaches.

2 posted on 09/10/2022 8:59:48 AM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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There is a very specific, widely known metric used to evaluate the effectiveness of vaccines. It is called, “Number Needed to Vaccinate,” or NNV.

NNV, look it up. It used to be widely used by pros and docs to put a single number on whether to advise vaccines or not.

Not anymore.

Like so many other metrics, it “disappeared.” But Fauci, the CDC, all of them know what it is and what it means. They just never mention it.

Some enterprising journalist should ask them publicly, “For young people, what is the NNV?”

And they will panic, then tap dance.

(All I ever neded to know about covid was revealed by the unintended experiment of an isolated population on The Diamond Princess. Look it up. It was dead on.)


3 posted on 09/10/2022 9:45:20 AM PDT by Basket_of_Deplorables (Putin is behaving rationally.The war is on Biden and Obama. )
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

Obviously some poor CDC decision maker got the risk versus benefit equation upside down.

Must be the fault of the modern math that he/she had in the 1980s! 😉


4 posted on 09/10/2022 10:03:22 AM PDT by Oscar in Batangas (An Honors Graduate from the Don Rickles School of Personal Verbal Intercourse)
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Do you ever wonder if “they” know this stuff is harmful and they mandate it anyway?

The true believer types who listen to these ‘experts’ naturally believe in it, too, and then believe with faith their “safe and effective” claims parroted so often they became mantra.

And even now, still too many others maintain their mandatory vaxx and booster compliance “or else” policies for both employment or for service to country.

If they’re wrong and this stuff is dangerously harmful, then they’ve all become lemmings who’ve found their cliff. And cold and flu season is just ahead, too!

And I wonder, still I wonder, what if “they” know and “they” are doing this on purpose for a purpose?
Hmmmm … could anyone be that evil?

5 posted on 09/10/2022 10:05:43 AM PDT by GBA (Endeavor to persevere)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

Waiting for the democrat/media/big pharma/Faux-xi cheerleaders on here to say the death serum is perfectly safe with 98% efficacy.


7 posted on 09/10/2022 10:12:02 AM PDT by wastedyears (The left would kill every single one of us and our families if they knew they could get away with it)
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In 1968 at age 19 I had Hong Kong Flu ...

HKF was a SARS like the current Wu Hu Flu so I think I still had good immunization ...

In the spring of 2020 I developed a strange cough for a few days and coughed/vomited up some really thick clear flem no normal systems so I couldnt get tested ... nothing just the painless cough..

I looked for somewhere to get tested for antibodies and finally found CVS started doing them the next year ...

In Sept 2021 I had the COVID 19 Antibodies Rapid POC Test and it came out Positive for a past bout of WHF and great antibodies the best strong ones ...

Last week one whole year after my first test I got the same test again ... same CVS store same staff ...

Again the good antibodies ... Oh dear they were suppose to fade long ago ...

the no jabbing staff were thrilled I still had immunization after 2 1/2 years...

However one said it was a shame I couldnt have had the antibodies measured both times for proper comparison ...

But where would you go for that ???

Anyhoo the jabs were not necessary for those of us who already had the WHF and had immunization due to that ...

and the jabs were not necessary for anyone ...


11 posted on 09/10/2022 10:44:51 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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I knew the you could get tested for antibodies because Hannity mentioned it a few times ...


12 posted on 09/10/2022 10:48:38 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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I agree 100%

Students at North American universities risk disenrollment due to third dose Covid-19 vaccine mandates. We present a risk-benefit assessment of boosters in this age group and provide five ethical arguments against mandates. We estimate that 22,000 - 30,000 previously uninfected adults aged 18-29 must be boosted with an mRNA vaccine to prevent one Covid-19 hospitalisation. Using CDC and sponsor-reported adverse event data, we find that booster mandates may cause a net expected harm: per Covid-19 hospitalisation prevented in previously uninfected young adults, we anticipate 18 to 98 serious adverse events

While the present paper is focused on vaccine coercion, its arguments also apply more generally to the offer of vaccination to young adults, and raise questions as to whether vaccine recipients are being fully apprised of the risks and likely benefits before consenting to the inoculation.

On the basis of this evidence they argue that university booster mandates are unethical because:

1. No formal risk-benefit assessment exists for the age group;
2. Vaccine mandates may result in a net expected harm to individual young people;
3. Mandates are not proportionate: expected harms are not outweighed by public health benefits given the modest and transient effectiveness of vaccines against transmission;
4. U.S. mandates violate the reciprocity principle because rare serious vaccine-related harms will not be reliably compensated due to gaps in current vaccine injury schemes; and
5. Mandates create wider social harms.

Kevin Bardosh, PhD 1,2*; Allison Krug, MPH3*; Euzebiusz Jamrozik, MD, MA, PhD4 4 ; Trudo Lemmens, CandJur, LicJur, LLM, DCL5 ; Salmaan Keshavjee, MD, PhD, ScM6 5 ; Vinay Prasad, MD, MPH7 ; Martin Makary, MD, MPH8 6 ; Stefan Baral, MD, MPH, FRCPC9 ; Tracy Beth Høeg, MD, PhD10, 11 7

1 School of Public Health, University of Washington, USA
2 Division of Infection Medicine, Edinburgh Medical School, University of Edinburgh, UK
3 Artemis Biomedical Communications LLC, Virginia Beach, VA, USA
4 Wellcome Centre for Ethics and Humanities, University of Oxford, Oxford, UK
5 Faculty of Law and Dalla Lana School of Public Health, University of Toronto, Canada
6 Department of Global Health and Social Medicine, Harvard Medical School, Boston, USA
7 University of California San Francisco, San Francisco, CA, USA
8 Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine, Baltimore, MD, USA
9 Johns Hopkins School of Public Health, Baltimore, MD, USA
10 Florida Dept of Health, Tallahassee, FL, USA
11 Sierra Nevada Memorial Hospital, Grass Valley, CA, USA

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4206070

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/Delivery.cfm/SSRN_ID4206070_code5055014.pdf?abstractid=4206070&mirid=1


13 posted on 09/10/2022 4:27:40 PM PDT by consult
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