Posted on 08/29/2022 2:43:23 PM PDT by fightin kentuckian
This is a general heads up concerning the ATF. The ATF has been showing up at peoples homes asking them to turn in things like solvent cleaners, and forced reset triggers.
The feds usually don't have a warrant but are asking people to "voluntarily" hand over the items. How do the feds know which homes to go to? Some people have suggested that the common denominator is that many of these people purchased items from GunBroker.com. GunBroker is like ebay for guns and gun related items. It's 100% legal and follows all state and federal laws.
So how are the feds targeting gunbroker clients? Some speculate that the feds are acting as the seller, some speculate that gunbroker or some vendors with gunbroker are cooperating with the feds. We really don't know.
But we do know that people who bought certain items from gunbroker have been visited by the feds. I'm putting this out as a simple heads up to the Freeper community.
NCIS, or NICS?
Stand your ground. If this is true, and it has not been verified, then this is simply the jackbooted fed thugs trying to intimidate and effectively shut down Gunbroker.com.
There is nothing illegal going on. Tell the feds to get lost.
LOL. I like it!
It’s still in litigation.
“What the hell do they want solvent cleaners for? Are they drinking it or something?”
It’s quite involved, google it. Short version, solvent cleaners can be used as silencers and are now NAF items.
Suppressors and full auto weapons are legal in 31(?) states.
So, in those states, this is about a $200 tax stamp.
They will dress up, cosplay, kick in your door at 5am, kill your dogs, maybe even you and your family on what amounts to their coffee and donut bill at Crispy Creme on the way to your “fortified compound”.
It's not the solvent. People are making at home or buying kits to assemble suppressors. The kits or plans are marketed as "Solvent Traps", but everyone including DOJ knows what they really are. It all started with people making/selling an adapter that adapted the threads of an automotive oil filter to barrel threads, or even a quick disconnect device.
The Solvent Trap and the True DIY Suppressor
All that said, suppressors should be legal, easy to buy, and require no licence or tax stamp. Shooting, particularly in a confined space, is dangerous to hearing. A suppressor is a safety device. Making them an NFA device is ridiculous.
I don’t think I want to google it. Sounds like ATF BS. How do you clean your firearms without a solvent / cleaner. Or is that code for some ATF FBI troll sites.
A Full auto license and stamp or whatever is thousands of dollars, not simply a 200 dollar stamp and the Sherriff’s signature.
It’s called a “solvent trap”.
The term “solvent cleaner” has no meaning in this context.
The BATFE has unilaterally decided that something that is not a suppressor, but which might be turned into a suppressor, is a suppressor already. Here’s the catch-22: you can’t use a form 4 application in order to turn the solvent cleaner into a suppressor, because it’s already a suppressor, and possession prior to approval of the form 4 and payment of the $200 fee is a federal felony.
It’s Kafkaesque, but that’s the BATFE’s actual position on the matter.
Suppression should be legal. I grew up with no hearing protection. I now can’t hear all that great. Having said that, without a machine shop you can’t suppress much more than a .22. If the ATF is worried about slightly suppressed .22 then we all have a problem because they have nothing to do. Crime in the cities is solved.
“I don’t think I want to google it. Sounds like ATF BS. How do you clean your firearms without a solvent / cleaner. Or is that code for some ATF FBI troll sites.”
OK
👍. I’m on record not knowing wtf is going on. 🤫
Linky no workee.
that’s the snowflake who also screamed, no dont, my wife is pregnant.
Feds are pussies.
Yeah, something seems off with the OP. I bet a fed posted this nonsense.
I don;t know about that, bro. When shipping anything by USPS or UPS you are asked if there is anything like flammable solvents in the package/box. If so, it is not permitted by the federal government. Hence entrapment by a gunbroker/FBI collusion, if that is what's going on with your order. No Hoppe's No. 9 solvent, for sure.
I guess I really screwed up when I stocked up on a year's supply of TP, bought soft drinks in plastic bottles, collected washers from years of woodworking and mechanics and saved some cardboard boxes.
And those rolls of electrical tape won't look good either.
And the styrofoam, lawn mower muffler, pieces of plumbing pipes, scraps of exterior insulation board, steel salmon cans, super glue, gorilla glue, duct tape, old down pillows, ...
Aiyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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