Posted on 08/13/2022 5:12:44 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal
I asked if you warned your family…….you said you did.
If your family that knows you far greater than anyone here didn’t take your warnings seriously, that must mean you have no credibility with your own family.
How then can you expect to have credibility here from internet people when you claim such over the top unprovable occurrences?
How can anyone here take you seriously if you don’t even believe Joe Biden is Joe Biden?
Your family didn’t believe you. Even when you warned them.
Don’t you wonder why?
So it’s not just me.
I do not accept your suggestion to stifle dialog. It’s wrong-headed and frankly a leftist reflex.
I’ll talk to whomever I wish and you can approve or disapprove at your leisure.
Again, you’re excoriating a poster as being “not credible, even with your own family” without the data on the vax being released.
Do you not agree that the vax was sold using basic propaganda?
why?
So your position appears to be “don’t worry about the source of vax injuries (or whatever else they may be) because covid is over”.
That does not seem justified.
Again, you offer unproven scientific anecdote to refute “some guy on the internet” anecdotes. Why?
You do that!
What data are you thinking of? What's different with the data available about the Covid vaccines vs. previous ones?
It is great that you get that it is over...
However there are still pockets of Karens out there wearing masks, there are still governments (like Canada) requiring vaxxes in various ways, there are still employers requiring vaxxes.
If I turn on my TV I still see these sickening vaxx ads from the NYC Department of “Public Health”.
The vaxx pusher zombies are still running around causing trouble...
Type 1 diabetes mellitus following SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccination
The poster is blaming the vax without data being released.
Yes, let’s sort through this. Let’s investigate the last couple of years.
Meanwhile, let’s also end the bizarre Vax Fear Porn.
Just ignore the nutcases that want to continue pumping life into Covid.
I saw a family wearing mask in a Walmart 2 days ago. You could have knocked me over with a feather.
I live in a very Red area of Michigan.
Never paid attention to Fauci either, unless a excerpt was played on Fox or the radio. Otherwise he never upset me because I never listened to him. 😆
We need to return to normal, if that’s even possible again.
Yes, the poster is drawing conclusions not supported by data. But you also do not have data to draw the conclusion that anyone is engaging in “bizarre Vax Fear Porn” - the vax was an obvious failure, yet all the organs of government were rolled out in a concerted attempt to get people vaccinated mostly through propaganda. The vax has been treated differently in terms of number of adverse events that would result in the vaccine (at a minimum) being paused. Data has not been forthcoming from the FDA, CDC or Pfizer on what testing was done and how many adverse events.
Next there were clearly different “batches” of vaccine that were tracked and that had differing numbers of adverse events by batch. Were the batches different? was the recipe different? was it just a statistical anomaly?
These would normally be easy questions to answer. We don’t have the answer.
Lastly, pregnant women and now young children recommended for vaccines? This is never a good idea, yet, there we are.
My own daughter was pregnant during “peak vaccine” and her doctor said officially he had to recommend the vax and then whispered “Don’t get the vax”. He was creamed for that by his employer (someone noticed none of his pregnant patients were getting vaxxed) (yes, anectdotal, but there are multiple independent examples of this sort of behavior on the part of hospitals and large practices).
So I think we are in agreement on cracking open the data and letting it lead wherever it leads. But to presuppose that to insist on this is “bizarre vax fear porn” is an offshoot of the vaccine propaganda - uncalled for and unsupportable. It is entirely possible, at this point, that the data points to a place where it’s not so bizarre afterall, couldn’t it?
Data is supposed to be collected and treated without agenda. This has not been done in the case of Covid vaccines, so I think it is not unreasonable to be skeptical. That’s my position as someone who understands what mRNA vaccines do, how this one was designed, and who knew, based on extensive reading and research, that there was a very good chance it would be ineffective over the long term, so I declined the vax - because I had gotten/quickly recovered from COVID (also treating it early using much maligned early treatment regimens).
Maybe it was luck, but since the early treatments were not profitable to pharma, and those profits trickled down to many in government - they were actively suppressed, I took the chance that they would/could be effective. I think they were, based on my results - but maybe I would have gotten over it anyway. That would have been a good thing to study (and I’m aware of some studies that were done - but that is another conversation).
You must be some kind of nut case ...logic-honesty-rationality ...often do not influence ..the insane ....maybe you should read klause S book .. he explains Succinctly what was done to you .. and why ...
See post 30
That's not how it works. It isn't a numbers game.
The reported events would have to be judged as serious and caused by the vaccine. That's happened before but not in the case of the Covid vaccines.
Data has not been forthcoming from the FDA, CDC or Pfizer on what testing was done and how many adverse events.
Of course it has. What makes you think the data disclosure has been less for these vaccines vs. earlier ones?
Next there were clearly different “batches” of vaccine that were tracked and that had differing numbers of adverse events by batch. Were the batches different? was the recipe different? was it just a statistical anomaly?
These would normally be easy questions to answer. We don’t have the answer.
Of course vaccines, especially when you're talking about hundreds of millions of doses, are prepared in batches and unless the pharma companies are flat out cheating the formulation is going to be constant and what the FDA approved.
Do you have any reason to think otherwise?
Differences in reported adverse events could be statistical noise or the result of different batches being given to different populations.
Data is supposed to be collected and treated without agenda. This has not been done in the case of Covid vaccines...
You keep saying this but I don't know what data you think is missing vs. earlier vaccines.
“The vax has been treated differently in terms of number of adverse events that would result in the vaccine (at a minimum) being paused.
That’s not how it works. It isn’t a numbers game.
The reported events would have to be judged as serious and caused by the vaccine. That’s happened before but not in the case of the Covid vaccines.”
We’ll take these one at a time.
When you say: “The reported events would have to be judged as serious and caused by the vaccine. That’s happened before but not in the case of the Covid vaccines.”
Who is doing the judging? That would seem to be relevant wouldn’t it, especially if there were a (or a lot) of conflicts of interest involved, wouldn’t it?
Please advise.
“Data has not been forthcoming from the FDA, CDC or Pfizer on what testing was done and how many adverse events.
Of course it has. What makes you think the data disclosure has been less for these vaccines vs. earlier ones?”
VAERS events have been aggregated, release delayed and other things as I have read that I trust are correct.
It could be that there are so many adverse events that they can’t keep up or want to process it more efficiently, but changing the way this data is processed & reported would be a problem, don’t you think?
But foremost is the propaganda. This vaccine (are we agreeing it is ineffective?) was sold on hype, and a lot of money was made. Did they simply did not know whether it would work, but pushed forward anyway because there were billions of $ at stake (my opinion). But that’s different than other vaccines, is it not?
ok...next one...
“Of course vaccines, especially when you’re talking about hundreds of millions of doses, are prepared in batches and unless the pharma companies are flat out cheating the formulation is going to be constant and what the FDA approved.
Do you have any reason to think otherwise?”
The point is not whether or not vaccines are made in batches, its that, according to VAERS, some batches had significantly higher rates of adverse events than others.
So yes, that points to the formulations possibly being different, but since we are not officially looking, we don’t know, but we could know if we checked.
That’s a good reason to think otherwise, isn’t it?
That’s a good reason to think otherwise, isn’t it?
No, because we have no other reason to think they've changed the formulation and the FDA didn't approve them.
And what makes you think no one is doing quality control and monitoring these batches? The FDA-mandated manufacturing processes for pharmaceuticals are rigorous and subject to constant audit.
As to the VAERS data, one simple explanation could be a big difference in the populations receiving the various batches. Nursing home patients vs. healthcare workers vs. first responders vs. teenagers, etc.
“No, because we have no other reason to think they’ve changed the formulation and the FDA didn’t approve them.”
So more deaths in one batch vs another is not a good reason?
This could still be investigated assuming some of the batches have samples preserved for just such an eventuality.
“And what makes you think no one is doing quality control and monitoring these batches? The FDA-mandated manufacturing processes for pharmaceuticals are rigorous and subject to constant audit.”
What makes you think the FDA didn’t approve difference batch “recipes”?
The FDA gave authorization to a vaccine that does not do the job, and, indeed could never do the job. What makes you think the FDA wasn’t subject to political pressure to let Pfizer do whatever they wanted?
We could find out if we checked. Why not?
“As to the VAERS data, one simple explanation could be a big difference in the populations receiving the various batches.”
Yes, it could be an explanation, but why dont we know for sure? We don’t know and so your explanation is no better than the original posters claims of vaccine injury.
There is a reason we don’t know.
It might be if the deaths were attributed to the vaccines, but they weren't.
I do not think that has been rigorously proven one way or another.
We don’t need to belabor the discussion as I think we both want the same thing. We just are approaching it with different assumptions based on who we inherently trust/distrust.
I don’t think we will change each other’s mind on that. I do think the scientific truth will come out, but it will take a while.
Thank you for the discussion
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