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Article V and Rational Revolution (2018)
Article V Blog ^ | February 19th 2018 | Rodney Dodsworth

Posted on 07/04/2022 3:44:22 AM PDT by Jacquerie

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To: Jacquerie
That’s a common straw man argument typical of those who react to article titles instead of reading the material.

You sound like one of those who were so sure Obamacare would be found unconstitutional......

21 posted on 07/04/2022 6:48:04 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (We are being manipulated by forces that most do not see)
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To: Gaffer

<>Not one Article V proponent can explain in specificity exactly how it cannot be hijacked once convened, period.<>

I’ve been explaining with specificity at FR for years.

States will not send schlubs off the street. Unlike congressmen who can vote as they wish, states will send delegates with detailed commissions that limit their authority. State legislatures retain authority to void any illegal actions by their delegates.


22 posted on 07/04/2022 7:06:58 AM PDT by Jacquerie (ArticleVBlog.com)
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To: Erik Latranyi

You are good at nonsensical straw man fallacies.


23 posted on 07/04/2022 7:07:45 AM PDT by Jacquerie (ArticleVBlog.com)
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States will not send schlubs off the street.

Oh please! THIS! is just what I've been arguing about for YEARS. Meaningless. Neither you, I or anyone else can control that. Neither you nor your fellow proponents can show otherwise with any certainty. Tell me, with complete accuracy, that the 'process' contains a fail-safe that ASSURES its convening purpose cannot be changed once convened and I might change my mind.. But, you cannot. Only more vagaries. You can keep on pushing this, but you haven't made a sale here.....

24 posted on 07/04/2022 7:18:02 AM PDT by Gaffer (i )
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To: Erik Latranyi
I thought you were the person who I responded to who said:

An Article V convention can only propose Constitutional Amendments that must be ratified by the states in the usual manner. How is that a “Trojan horse?”

I didn't realize you were sniping from deep cover.

As to your question: "Why do you think the communists, who do not follow the constitution, will follow the Article V rules?", my question to you is "Do you believe in the Constitution or not?"

If you have given up on the Constitution than why are you bothering to participate in a conversation about it?

25 posted on 07/04/2022 7:31:20 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Contempt for pre-born human life breeds contempt for post-born human life.)
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To: Gaffer
The problem I see with it as far as I’ve been able to determine over the years this Article V movement has been around is that once convened, there is NOTHING to stop the ensuing proceedings to change the original charter/purpose/goal.

You haven't been able to "determine" much, have ya? Have you even read Article V, since you've done so much "research?"

Article V of the Constitution says what it says, that its purpose is to propose amendments that must be ratified by the states in the usual manner.

Show me where it grants authority to "change the original charter/purpose/goal."

I dare you.

You either believe in the Constitution or you don't, and it appears that you don't.

26 posted on 07/04/2022 7:46:03 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Contempt for pre-born human life breeds contempt for post-born human life.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

You just keeping on with this nonsense... I’m done with you all.....

You have no idea exactly how the leftists have been itching for this to happen...

Goodbye....


27 posted on 07/04/2022 7:47:36 AM PDT by Gaffer (i )
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To: Gaffer

So you admit you never even read Article V but know all about it.


28 posted on 07/04/2022 7:49:39 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Contempt for pre-born human life breeds contempt for post-born human life.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I’ve read it plenty of times. YOUR problem is that you think your states legislatures, bodies and governing authorities will “look out for your interests.” They won’t.

I’ve seen this happen in my own state, Georgia, with a Governor and Secretary of State who have sold out and relinquished power for all intents and purposes to Democrats so they could have temporary power.....

You go do your thing and I’ll STFU....you just have not made a sale here in any way. Only someone who’d vote against it and what you foolishly want.


29 posted on 07/04/2022 7:53:29 AM PDT by Gaffer (i )
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To: Gaffer

I won’t do your work for you.

Look up commissions from states that have approved a COS.

You won’t because you are comfortable in ignorance of the matter.

I’ll put my trust in James Wilson and the Federal Convention delegates and state ratifying conventions.


30 posted on 07/04/2022 7:57:15 AM PDT by Jacquerie (ArticleVBlog.com)
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To: Gaffer

By your logic, We the People are incapable of self-government.

Just keep supporting the same habits and approaches to government in the expectation of different results.

There is a common term for your belief.


31 posted on 07/04/2022 7:59:56 AM PDT by Jacquerie (ArticleVBlog.com)
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So instead of fighting the Georgia corruption you just give up?

Luckily for us there are people who haven’t given up, like the creators of 2000 Mules who have been working with law enforcement and appear to be on the verge of major indictments.

https://www.truethevote.org/police-raid-nonprofits-in-2000-mules-ballot-trafficking-investigation/

They haven’t given up, and I haven’t given up funding them.


32 posted on 07/04/2022 8:02:19 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Contempt for pre-born human life breeds contempt for post-born human life.)
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To: Jacquerie

You do you..... keep pushing this. I’ve seen it for over 20 years and none of you can convince me of anything other than you have very good intentions. But you still have no guarantees. You have no idea of the money, power and influence arrayed against you.

Put your ‘trust’ anywhere you want. At this point I don’t care anymore....


33 posted on 07/04/2022 8:02:35 AM PDT by Gaffer (i )
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Show me one major MSM venue where 2000 M has been highlighted in any manner other than negative.

It is down to a battle of how they can weasel their way into changing our Constitution in a drastic and substantive manner and this mania about “the Convention” is misguidedly supporting it, IMO.

sheesh...


34 posted on 07/04/2022 8:05:37 AM PDT by Gaffer (i )
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Show me one major MSM venue where 2000 M has been highlighted in any manner other than negative.

How is that different from any other conservative issue?

Why do you care what documented "RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA!" liars say?

Why are you even patronizing them, helping fund them?

35 posted on 07/04/2022 8:13:49 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Contempt for pre-born human life breeds contempt for post-born human life.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Just stop. I never said a damned thing about Russia - only that the truth gets subverted to the masses...you’re just diverting from a pitifully poor argument....

You gave me a movie as your ‘example.’ I gave you a response as to why your example is wanting and you demean me by implying ‘I help fund them?” just go screw off.....


36 posted on 07/04/2022 8:18:45 AM PDT by Gaffer (EA)
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To: Gaffer

Why do you care what documented liars say?


37 posted on 07/04/2022 8:20:12 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Contempt for pre-born human life breeds contempt for post-born human life.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I’ve explained myself enough.

As I tell all the posters on the gun trader site I frequent, “Good Luck With Sale - GLWS for short.”

Done here.


38 posted on 07/04/2022 8:22:42 AM PDT by Gaffer (EA)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
So you admit you never even read Article V but know all about it.

You are naive. Yes, WE would abide by Article V as written....but the other side would not.

The other side has already perverted the constitution, the federal gov't, the courts, etc......but you think they would not be able to pervert an Article V.

Your childish innocence is not useful.

39 posted on 07/04/2022 8:27:25 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (We are being manipulated by forces that most do not see)
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To: Erik Latranyi

Sounds like you have surrendered and don’t have the guts to fight for anything.


40 posted on 07/04/2022 8:35:39 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Contempt for pre-born human life breeds contempt for post-born human life.)
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