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Here is a link to the Leshchenko talk mentioned in this article:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yumMyoQtsZA&t=120s

1 posted on 07/03/2022 6:47:43 PM PDT by Mount Athos
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To: Mount Athos

Putin launched the invasion of Ukraine.

Putin is 100% responsible.

Blaming America is 100% bullshit.

Zelensky heads an elected government that came to power in free open competitive elections.


2 posted on 07/03/2022 6:51:47 PM PDT by Reaganez
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That’s what they do, destabilize, undermine and or destroy other countries as long as it fits their agenda or plans.

And they’re using other people’s tax money to fund all of it. No expense is too much when it comes to our money.


3 posted on 07/03/2022 6:53:50 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Mount Athos
Ukraine ping

Actually, the impeachment of Yanukovich by the Ukrainian parliament for firing upon the Maidan protestors and attempting to make himself dictator wasn't a coup. It was a completely legal change of power that swept away the old security establishment and the elements of dictatorial power that had continued from tsarist days through Yanukovich's dictatorial rule. Kamil Galeev explains, in a Twitter thread on why Putin banned private Russian fundraising for the troops in his special military operation:

Correct. But it lacks the context. On the same day, June 30 the Donetsk People's Republic ruler Pushilin signed the order № 338 prohibiting the free entrance of humanitarian aid from Russia to the DPR. NB: Much (most?) of this aid was not really humanitarian, but army supplies🧵

DPR introduced the "accreditation" of humanitarian aid. Previously Russian citizens could purchase in Russia whatever and ship it to the DPR as "humanitarian aid". That was a legal way to supply the pro-Russian militias in Ukraine with arms/equipment by individual contributions Image

Now the DPR introduced the accreditation so shipping there anything gonna be harder. Besides, the order № 338 prohibits importing:

1. guns & ammo

2. lots of modern radio sets

3. quadcopter (technically)

to DPR from Russia as "humanitarian aid" for pro-Russian militias ImageImageImage

The DPR restricted/prohibited much of the supplies for the pro-Russian militias in Donbass. Previously they were collected in Russia by various nationalist activist groups, pro-Z officials an oligarchs, etc. and shipped to Donbass. Now you can't do that

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Why would they do that? Well, it perfectly illustrates the logic of the Russian state which may be counterintuitive for Westerners. The Russian government are total control freaks and are determined to extirpate *any* agency and activism. Including the pro-Kremlin activism

When the Donbass War only started, many pro-Russian militias there were not fully controlled by Kremlin. Some pro-Russian warlords in Donbass were genuine believers, some adventurers, some mix of both. Motorola used to wash cars in Russia, but left to Donbass and became a warlord Image

Whether they were adventurers or genuine Russian nationalists, most of these guys were upstarts, alien to the Russian political regime. Kremlin used them, but would never tolerate them

Every single pro-Russian warlord in Donbass was assassinated. Some in Donbass, some in Russia Image

Except for one. There's only one early Donbass warlord who's not only alive, but still in power. Khodakovsky. Why Kremlin didn't cleanse him like others?

Because he's different from them. Others used to wash cars. Khodakovsky used to serve in the Ukrainian state security - SBU Image

Every single of pro-Russian warlords in Donbass died under the mysterious circumstances, some in Donbass, others in Russia. Kremlin cleansed everyone. The only one they left alive and in power is the former Ukrainian intelligence officer. That makes perfect sense Image

First, he is tainted. He's a turn cloak and everyone knows that. So it's super easy to control him. Most probably Kremlin has Kompromat on him that would absolutely destroy his reputation. He knows that and will never trespass or object to Kremlin under any circumstances Image

Even more importantly, he is from pre-2014 SBU. Let's be honest, Ukraine did its dramatic breakup with the Soviet tradition and model of governance only in 2014. Before 2014, it was much like Russia and SBU was much like the FSB. They were not *that* different as many presume

The meaning of Maidan is *vastly* underrated. It was the 2014 when the USSR died for real. Before 2014 Ukrainian military, intelligence and even more importantly the military industrial complex kept the same ties with their Russian colleagues as before. That was Soviet continuity

Russia is FSB-run state and the FSB openly call themselves "the new nobility". This should be taken literally. They *are* the new nobility. So it makes total sense that during the conquest of Ukraine they'll rely on noblemen like Khodakovsky rather than on peasants like Motorola Image

Kremlin is genuinely and sincerely horrified of where Ukraine is drifting after 2014. Before 2014, they perceived the Ukrainian elite as similar to them, may be somewhat inferior. Soviet community and Soviet continuity didn't finish in 1991. It finished in 2014 Image

Maidan, Crimea and the Donbass War - that's what killed the USSR. How? Before 2014 Ukrainian security apparatus was largely Soviet. After 2014 they had quick and massive cadre change. It seems that in the state security it was especially massive and profound. It was a revolution

When we are discussing the popular support of revolutions, we typically miss the elephant in the room. Namely, the cadre change. Almost every revolution decreases the general quality of life for years. But they still generate tons of staunch supporters through the cadre change Image

Yes, social collapse makes the life worse. But it allows *tons* of ambitious upstarts to rise. Would a simple Cossack NCO, Semyon Budyonnyy have any chance to be the Commander of Cavalry under the old regime? No. But Soviets cleansed the upper ranks and opened him the way Image

The White propaganda depicted the revolution as "Jewish". In reality though, with most of nobility and officer corpse cleansed, it were mostly young Great Russian peasants who were quickly trained to take their places. They were absolutely happy and would fight for the new regime Image

Revolutions almost always decrease the general quality of life for years to come. Also the purges may be very cruel. But with the old elites purged, you need to recruit someone else on their places. You must do a cadre change. Accelerated social mobility generates a mass support Image

French or even more so Russian revolutions are extreme cases, which I chose because they are so well-known and illustrative. What is important here is the causal link:

Regime change -> Purges -> Cadre change -> Tons of new upstarts -> Tons of staunch supporters for the new order Image

Maidan was not as radical as 1789 or 1914. But Russia was so much appalled with it that it escalated the armed conflict. And the armed conflict led to the cadre change. Much of the old army establishment was not that reliable. And much of state security absolutely wasn't Image

War with Russia brought the cadre change in the state security and intelligence. First, it expanded. Second, it was cleansed from the old cadres creating a social elevator. Yesterday you'd catch fish and cook it in a bucket on open fire. Tomorrow you'd be a Special Forces officer

It's quite typical for Ukrainian intelligence officers to be much younger than their Western colleagues they meet with. Why? Well, largely because the old Soviet cadres were cleansed. That's what changed the face of regime and that's what generated mass of staunch supporters

2014 killed the Soviet Union. Cadre change in Ukraine broke the former community between the Russian and Ukrainian state security. Old Soviet cadres were gradually cleansed, breaking the continuity. And those that came to their places would not like the old order to return

Honestly, I think that if Putin did a massive invasion in 2014, he would succeed. First of all, many East Ukrainians still thought of themselves as Soviet/Russian. But by 2022 many of them just died or turned too old to make any real effect. History moves one death at a time Image

Second, he absolutely would be able to make a horse trade with much of the Ukrainian military and state security. Yes, many would refuse. But there would be enough of collaborators to secure a quick victory. "People's revolt" in Donbass were largely local Siloviki changing colors Image

Putin's decision to keep a small scale war for 8 years and then do a mass invasion was insane. First, identity of East Ukraine changed over these years. Many of those who held old Soviet identity were just too old now. Second, security apparatus went through a cadre change, too Image

In 2014 Putin could realistically expect that many powerful interest groups in Ukraine would assist in his invasion. But then he for some reason took a pause of 8 years. By February 2022 most of them were fired, dead on under arrest. Medvedchuk is the best known example of course Image

So let's return to the initial question. Why would Kremlin restrict supply of the "humanitarian aid" making supplies of its own militias in Ukraine harder? Because even Russian imperialist activism is still activism. And the Kremlin never ever allows any type of activism. Ever Image

If nationalist and imperialist circles in Russia continue shipping the valuable aid to the Russian/Donbass troops ad they did before, they may establish too many valuable horizontal connections. Fighters on the frontline may like those guys and even start depending upon them Image

That's exactly what many Russian imperialists hoped for. Consider Chadayev. He writes that collecting and shipping the valuable equipment to Donbass, we build our own, patriotic, civil society

What he didn't said is that we establish direct connections with guys on the frontline Image

Kremlin would never allow it. Any genuine believer, even Russian imperialist, is suspicious. Now you may stand for the Tsar, because of your views. But that implies that tomorrow you may stand against the Tsar, because of your views. Strong personal opinions are problematic Image

Russian imperialists who thought they would be allowed to build a "real civil society" by organising the supply the Russian troops in Ukraine were naive. That's 1) personal initiative 2) collective action. And Kremlin is strongly determined to uproot your capacity for either Image

Irrespectively of Putin, Russian political system depends upon uprooting the ability for personal initiative and collective action. Any ruler in Kremlin will be forced to uproot them to save the empire. Dismantling the empire is the only way to enfranchise its people. End of🧵


7 posted on 07/03/2022 7:02:32 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: Mount Athos

Here is the phone conversation in which Victoria Nuland, Assistant US Secretary of State, openly admits that she handpicked the Ukraine government after the coup.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957


10 posted on 07/03/2022 7:04:48 PM PDT by Mount Athos
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Operation Wag the Dog. Anything to save Jo Jo’s ying yang.


13 posted on 07/03/2022 7:08:29 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (First, they stole our elections. Then, they stole our country.)
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To: Mount Athos

Cowardly President Viktor Yanukovych fled his country in the middle of the night. There was no “violent coup”. This is just big lie Kremlin propaganda repeated over and over.


17 posted on 07/03/2022 7:32:19 PM PDT by devere
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Why did you post this dumb drek. The CIA sits on the fat assess in Northern Virginia to collect 150 thousands plus salaries. They could give a sht about Russia or Ukraine.


18 posted on 07/03/2022 7:36:28 PM PDT by dennisw
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To: Mount Athos

Bkmk


23 posted on 07/03/2022 7:50:12 PM PDT by ptsal (Vote R.E.D. >>>Remove Every Democrat ***)
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To: Mount Athos

Ukraine shows what is coming for us here in America.

* Banned political parties, with all their assets seized

* Banned TV stations and newspapers.

(Youtube systematically bans contrarian thought. Even Fox News forbids talk or mention of election corruption. People who speak out at PTA meetings are monitored and threatened by the FBI.)

* Show trials to sideline political opponents

(Zelensky is trying to imprison the leader of #2 party, and succeeded in imprisoning the #3 vote getting party)

* By the end of this month, Ukraine will have a new law allowing the outright seizure of property of those accused of supporting the enemy

* Extremists sent to butcher and terrorize regions that try to separate

(Poroshenko sent them to East Ukraine right after gaining power. There’s no shortage of extremists the left can send against us, even in the government and military)

* The news will not report on atrocities committed by the extremists they send to terrorize and brutalize us.

(The western press totally ignored the systematic violation of ethnic Russians in east Ukraine for long years. Then promptly exclaims they had “no reason” to want to separate from Ukraine)


26 posted on 07/03/2022 7:53:18 PM PDT by Mount Athos
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Yes, many of us are aware of everything being talked about in the article, well almost everything at any rate. However, the Ukraine cheerleaders refuse to accept this, and claim it is Russian disinformation. SMDH.


28 posted on 07/03/2022 7:55:17 PM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: Mount Athos

Bravo! Thank you for posting this excellent review of what really happened and even more distressing, how routine this is. I know for me it has been painful over the last 4 months to get a look at who we really are. Democracy, what a laugh.

For decades we have been doing this to the rest of the world. Now our masters are doing it to us personally.

There are so many culprits it would take pages to allot the blame properly, but I think losing an actual news media is at the center of how we ended up being totally indoctrinated with lies about ourselves and our supposed adversaries.

To think...IF ONLY OUR MEDIA HAD DONE THEIR JOB AND ALLOWED TRUTH TO BE CONVEYED the whole world would be different.

Americans are not an evil people; just an ignorant people...:-(


29 posted on 07/03/2022 7:55:52 PM PDT by Cathi
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Kinda makes a man wonder if Putin maybe had a reason to be paranoid.


35 posted on 07/03/2022 8:06:57 PM PDT by Tupelo (Don't underestimate The Republican Party's ability to f*ck things up)
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The CIA in the last 70 plus years has overthrown about 80 Foreign Governments. All Covert Ops.


36 posted on 07/03/2022 8:16:28 PM PDT by Captain Peter Blood
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what happened in Ukraine in 2014 was NOT an insurrection!

what happened on Jan 6 in DC WAS an insurrection!

9 June 2022: Gateway Pundit: Why Were Ukrainian Nazis in the U.S. Capitol on January 6?
By Larry Johnson
One of the most troubling questions is why were Ukrainians tied to neo-Nazi groups inside the U.S. Capitol mingling with undercover FBI agents and supporters of Donald Trump?...
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/06/ukrainian-nazis-u-s-capitol-january-6/


39 posted on 07/03/2022 8:25:06 PM PDT by MAGAthon (;)
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To: Mount Athos

Thanks for posting this as it is always refreshing to read a post by someone who is still able to think clearly. If the US would not have gotten involved in the first place either directly or in a roundabout way via NATO, chances are better than good Russia may have stayed away. Even so there always have been different groups of ethnicities in Ukraine with the temptation of getting into each other’s hair, so it would not have taken much to trigger some fall out which probably was another factor taken advantage of by the CIA.


45 posted on 07/03/2022 8:42:34 PM PDT by saintgermaine (Saintgermain the time traveler)
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The Grayzone - senior editor is Max Blumethanl

Max Blumenthal is an American journalist, author and blogger who is the editor of The Grayzone website, which is known for spreading conspiracy theories, and engaging in denial of atrocities committed by dictatorial regimes.


52 posted on 07/03/2022 9:14:45 PM PDT by Wuli
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They’re as dirty as the rest of the government agencies 🤪


53 posted on 07/03/2022 9:14:46 PM PDT by NWFree (Somebody has to say it)
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To: Mount Athos

Why is the American taxpayer having to pay all the salaries of Ukraine’s government workers? It is billions of dollars a month. Ukraine has no national security value to the USA and its citizens.

We are sending them American weapons and hurting our own military readiness by doing it.

It does not matter to Americans whether or not Ukraine survives as a separate nation.

This war is killing Ukrainians by the thousands and destroying their country. What is “winning” when you end up with a few survivors standing on a pile of rubble?

Ukraine has NO strategic value to the USA and is nothing more than a money-laundering convenience store for corrupt American politicians. It is also a major source of bioweapons development under U.S. control and funding.

Putin may be a tyrant but the world does not need to be destroyed to save Ukraine.


56 posted on 07/03/2022 10:17:43 PM PDT by Gnome1949
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BFL


65 posted on 07/04/2022 12:18:21 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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Excellent article.

Many details which show how Americans been fed pure propaganda over Ukraine.


69 posted on 07/04/2022 7:58:06 AM PDT by PGR88 (<i>)
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