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Ukraine Should Admit Defeat NOW! Says Top U.S Military Leader
The Jimmy Dore Show via Youtube ^ | 6/11/22 | Jimmy Dore

Posted on 06/11/2022 5:51:33 PM PDT by Its All Over Except ...

Despite all the effusive praise the brave Ukrainian military has received in the western press, extolling all the humiliating defeats the Ukrainians have dealt the Russians, the reality on the ground appears to be entirely in Russia’s favor. And that reality was acknowledged on a recent Council of Foreign Relations Zoom call by retired lieutenant general and former deputy commander of United States European Command Stephen Twitty, who told the other neocons on the call that Ukraine simply cannot win this war and needs to sue for peace as soon as possible.

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TOPICS: Government; Military/Veterans; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: 10percent4bigguy; biden; bidenswar; corruption; mediabias; nato; putin; realgeneral; russia; scandal; theyknow; ukraine; ukrainelosing
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To: freeandfreezing

“Welcome to our Russian propagandist friends. I fixed your typo.”


Perhaps you could benefit from a dictionary definition:

Propaganda - “information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view.”

Telling the TRUTH is not propaganda. You may not like the truth; but nonetheless it is the truth.


61 posted on 06/11/2022 7:19:39 PM PDT by Cathi
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To: fhayek

Your view is childish and myopic.


62 posted on 06/11/2022 7:19:46 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: Cathi

Yep, not only did they end Ukraine as country, they also ended the United States as a global superpower.

Gotta hand it to the Globalists/Neocons (and their supporters here), the end of America, and its dollar, as king of the hill is here.

Hope they are PROUD of their accomplishment.


63 posted on 06/11/2022 7:20:27 PM PDT by BobL (My hatred of Necons/Globalists exceeds my love of Ukraine or any other country, other than the US)
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To: lodi90

Reagan did the hard work of creating national defense infrastructure so he didn’t have to fight.

The current clowns have hollowed out the military with pervert commanders and affirmative action games.

Gotta know when to hold em and when to fold em.


64 posted on 06/11/2022 7:22:50 PM PDT by cgbg (A kleptocracy--if they can keep it. Think of it as the Cantillon Effect in action.)
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To: Its All Over Except ...

He told the Worship and Support George Soros church something they did not want to hear. Neither do their Blood Brothers the Worship and Support Lying Joe Biden brigade. They must keep the source of the Politician’s dirty money flowing along with Fauci and Associates virus and bio toxins released over here from their labs.


65 posted on 06/11/2022 7:24:15 PM PDT by sport
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To: cgbg

Reagan would have never dreamed of projecting weakness and surrendering to Putin’s goose stepping nazi army. Reagan taught us peace was achieved through strength and he gave no quarter to mass murdering tyrants. Brandon’s weakness got us in these messes. Afghanistan, Ukraine, etc. It’s all the same. They hate America and want our enemies to gain power. Conservatives must not join that train.


66 posted on 06/11/2022 7:32:19 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: Its All Over Except ...

All this moral outrage about Russia being the aggressor. Putin did a good job of laying out his grievances and reasons for acting. No dispute about the evil of Putin. But that son of Potus-head (Hunter B) is a real hero; heck former military, and all good stuff (sarc)
Meanwhile in the USA ByeDung is using the label “domestic terrorist” to marginalize:
Homeschool families
White people
Law-abiding gun owners
Pro-lifers.
But if you want to stalk Supreme Court justices, or threaten violence if the SCOTUS throws out the Roe v. Wade ruling you don’t even get a warning to cease.
The USA is being positioned for another summer of violence. Looks like people will die because the PTB need more lame excuses to make new laws to take away freedoms.
Seems like FR has become a place where one can easily find buddies from Democratic Underground.
Sad day for Jim Robinson.


67 posted on 06/11/2022 7:33:00 PM PDT by Honest Nigerian
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To: Its All Over Except ...
No need to rely on snippets in a video from a Russian propaganda outlet. You can read the transcript of the entire discussion Here at the CFR website.

Twitty seemed to think at the end of May that Ukraine didn't have the military power yet to just drive Russia out of Ukrainian territory. But to me the most interesting thing Twitty said was that US and European navy resources should be deployed to allow Ukraine to export from Odessa.

"And I agree with Jane, there needs to be a—not just the U.S. strategy but a Western strategy. What that looks like will have to be some form of escorts that will have to go in there and conduct a blockade of Russian vehicles to be able to get this grain and stuff out of there."

"Why would you want to insert, say, NATO or American ships, raise the specter of direct contact? Why not just enhance Ukrainian capabilities?

TWITTY: Yeah. The first reason is the Ukrainian navy does not exist and so they have very small boats and they only have a couple of them. So no navy to speak of, no coast guard to speak of. Now, you’ve heard about the long-range missile capability that they used to bring down the Moskva. But those are few and far between, and those ships are deep out at sea and hard to range with that type of capability.

So you will have to have ships in the Black Sea by you name the force to be able to help in escorting this grain out of there."

If I were a Russian navy sailor I wouldn't want to face US and NATO ships, and probably aircraft who were engaged in a "blockade" of Russian ships.

68 posted on 06/11/2022 7:34:03 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: Apparatchik; Its All Over Except ...
Their logo is the Russian imperial symbol.

Wrong again...their logo is a stylized version of the flag used by the Greek Orthodox Church, with heraldry dating back to Byzentine Emporer John VIII Palaiologos, the Defender of Constantinople.


69 posted on 06/11/2022 7:35:29 PM PDT by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera )
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To: BobL
Agree, Twitty NAILS IT. Impressive guy!

You are correct for once, Twitty's plan to use the US navy and NATO navy ships to drive the Russians back out of the Black Sea is a really good idea. That will allow exports from Ukraine, and avoid problems with food shortages around the world caused by Russia's invasion.

I'm glad you agree with that plan.

70 posted on 06/11/2022 7:36:52 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: mac_truck
Since you know you history, you really do know that the AZOV logos are drawn from ancient symbols that long predate the German's use of the same symbols.

Why haven't you pointed that out?

71 posted on 06/11/2022 7:38:35 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: lodi90
Reagan must be rolling over in his grave at all the Putinist vomit on conservative websites these days.

You are right, it just shows how many Russian propaganda and information warfare workers there are.

72 posted on 06/11/2022 7:39:30 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: BobL

On the contrary. A bunch of famers smashed the army of the biggest country in the world in the fields outside Kyiv. Now that nuclear power is reduced to advancing by destroying one village at a time in a WW1 cosplay.

The Russian military is now the joke of the world. No military outside of Africa is going to buy Russian hardware after seeing the buffoonery of Russian pilots using commercial GPS on combat missions, cheap Chinese tires falling off $10 million AA systems, etc, etc.

Kyiv stands. Ukraine has won. All Russia can do now rape and pillage in the finest Russian tradition of banditry.


73 posted on 06/11/2022 7:39:56 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: BobL
I suspect that Russia can still build planes though

They can't build a crappy little surveillance drone without importing the cameras, servos, and electronic chips.

74 posted on 06/11/2022 7:41:51 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: mac_truck

Informative. Info I didn’t know about.

Much appreciated.


75 posted on 06/11/2022 7:48:39 PM PDT by Its All Over Except ...
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To: Apparatchik
Some retired dipsh*t is not a “top U.S. military leader.”

If you had just said a "retired Lieutenant General" is not still a top U.S. military leader then you would have stayed in the bounds of a legitimate criticism.

Opinions are like a$$holes

And opinions that tempt us to short-circuit considered judgement are like what comes out of them.

76 posted on 06/11/2022 7:48:56 PM PDT by AndyTheBear
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To: Its All Over Except ...
As long as the Ukrainians themselves are willing to keep fighting I'd rather ensure as many Russians are killed, and as much of their military equipment destroyed, as possible.

Maybe the Chechens and some other will see a window to strike at Russia as well.

77 posted on 06/11/2022 7:50:22 PM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: freeandfreezing

“Russian Propaganda Outlet.”

Rachel Maddow, is that you?

Or is it Hillary?

You’re using their tactics.

I think MSNBC and CNN would be more to your liking. And Jimmy Dore goes after them all the time.


78 posted on 06/11/2022 7:51:13 PM PDT by Its All Over Except ...
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To: BobL
There will be zero chance for Ukraine to exist a few years down the road when Russia does this all over again, just from a better starting position.

Might as well take as many Russians with them as they can.

79 posted on 06/11/2022 7:54:59 PM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: Honest Nigerian

Yep. I’ve said Ad Nauseam I don’t like Zelensky or Putin and have shown factually, by their record, from sources left, right, and middle they are both autocratic.

But if you even do that, the neocons here will still attack you for somehow siding with Putin when all you want is for America to quit with the wars all over the globe as Russia can’t take NATO member nations surrounding Ukraine as he knows he would lose to NATO. But you still hear from the ridiculous talk of Putin being Hitler and rolling over all of Europe.

And don’t even bother asking the libtard neocons here to say something negative about Biden being tied at the hip with Ukraine and Zelensky, how Ukraine is Hunters slush fund, how Soros, Klaus, the WEF, etc, are tied at the hip with Zelensky.

They’ll deflect to Putin. They have PDS. They got it from watching too much MSNBC.


80 posted on 06/11/2022 7:59:02 PM PDT by Its All Over Except ...
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