THE ART OF DISINFORMATION–WESTERN LIES ABOUT THE WAR IN UKRAINE

Sons of the New American Revolution ^ | 5/13/2022 | Larry Johnson

[Kazan]

f you want to know how the war is going in Ukraine, you only needed to take note of one piece of “news” today–Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin called his Russian counterpart:

US Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin spoke with his Russian counterpart for the first time since the Russian invasion of Ukraine, the Pentagon announced on Friday.

The call lasted approximately an hour and was at the request of Austin, who used the first call between the two in 84 days to urge Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu to implement an “immediate ceasefire,” according to a brief readout of the call. The two last spoke on February 18, a week before Russia launched its invasion of Ukraine.

CNN

If Russia was losing or completely stuck in Ukraine, one would expect that Sergei Shoigu would be the guy calling Austin and begging for mercy. Well, that is not what happened. It was Austin that placed the call, apparently unconcerned about his recent public call to weaken Russia. Why would Austin urge Shoigu to implement an “immediate ceasefire” if Russia was getting its ass kicked? Russia getting whipped by Ukraine is exactly what Austin has called for. Remember?

“We want to see Russia weakened to the degree that it can’t do the kinds of things that it has done in invading Ukraine. . .”

If Russia is on the ropes, why call off the beating? You call off the fight when its your guy getting pummeled. The Russian offensive in the Donbass has ramped up significantly in the last week and it is carving up entrenched Ukrainian units with no hope of being reinforced or rescued by a counter-offensive.

War expert Justin Bronk says ailing Russian offensive in eastern Ukraine is FAILING

Let me highlight the lies for you. Start with Snake Island:

Russia suffers losses trying to secure the island after a series of Ukrainian attacks.

WRONG!! The Ukrainians tried and failed to take the tiny rock on the even of the Liberation Day celebrations in Russia on 9 May. Ukraine lost big–the death of more than 60 Ukrainian marines and members of elite AFU units, four fixed wing combat aircraft, 10 helicopters, 3 boats and 30 unmanned aerial vehicles. The Russians knew the attack was coming and were lying in wait. They apparently put some bait on the barren rock–some sophisticated missiles–to attract the Ukrainians. It worked.

Heavy bombardment continues at Azovstal as last defenders hold out.

DELIBERATELY MISLEADING. Yes, bombs and missiles continue to rain down on those parts of the Azovstal steel plant where a shrinking number of Azov battalion fanatics hunker down and send out video pleas for rescue. The a few of the wives of the men trapped in the bowels of Azovstal are now on social media begging for someone to save their guys. Here is one of the ladies, who previously posted a photo of her in her combat pose. The second image–she’s weeping for her man–showed up this week.

The situation in Mariupol is returning to normal and Russia controls the city. The Russians are restoring electrical and water services and providing food to the population.

Ukrainian counter-attack reaches Russian border and threatens to break Donbas supply line.

LIE–The Ukrainians have not reached the Russian border and at least one Russian Battalion Tactical Group has crossed the Severs Donetsk river and are expanding their position south toward Kharkiv. But this is a sideshow. The area is isolated and there is only one significant road running from Kharkiv to Belgorod in Russia.

DOUBLE LIE–There is zero threat to the “DONBAS SUPPLY LINE.” Those lines are south and east of Kharkiv. Just look at the map–the Donbas with the city of Luhansk is prominently displayed. Kharkiv is 230 miles northwest of Luhansk.

The map does get two things right–the Russia has taken Avdiivka and has surrounded Ukrainian troops at Severodonetsk. It is because of the progress Russia is making in the Donetsk that Lloyd Austin called Sergei Shoigu to beg for some mercy. I suspect that General Shoigu told Austin, идите стучите по песку (which is Russian for “go pound sand.”)

One more observation regarding the supposed defeat of the Russians north of Kharkiv on the border of Russia. The people writing on this cannot even get their facts straight about the size of a Russian Battalion Tactical Group aka BTG. Here are three different “experts” with their numbers:

Each Russian Battalion (BTG) tactical group has around 700-900 soldiers (Justin Bronk)

According to the DOD on 18 April there are almost a dozen BTGs in Mariupol. As each BTG has about 200 infantry, then 11 x 200 gives us 2,200 infantry. (Christopher Lawrence, Dupuy Institute)

A Russian battalion tactical group consists of about 1,000 troops. (Associated Press)

The western media has been crowing about the mighty Ukrainians wiping out a Russian BTG. Yet no photos of Russian medical units recovering the dead and wounded from the battle site have been published on Ukrainian or Russian sites. But let us assume the claim is true–the Ukrainians reportedly ambushed and defeated one BTG. It is meaningless as far as the progress of the Russian war effort is concerned. If the Russians were concerned about the battle over a pontoon bridge they would have deployed fixed wing and rotary wing support aircraft armed with rockets and delivered an artillery barrage on the attacking Ukrainians. That apparently did not happen either.

I am not privy to Russian war plans. But I do know that Russia would be rushing reinforcements to the area if this was an important battle. They are not. Even more telling is you are not seeing video and photos of a Ukrainian horde pouring over the Russian border. This looks to me like one more failed attempt reminiscent of Weekend at Bernie’s–propping up a Ukrainian corpse and pretending it is alive.

[cuban leaf]

Clearly opinions vary on that.😉

[Williams]

People don’t want us to push Russia into a nuclear the war, but if he calls to talk to them it means Russia is winning. I don’t think so.

[Forward the Light Brigade]

Wait til the Great Depression hits and China will not loan us money—because they are broke too. Then all this war talk will be meaningless. Its all about the pain at home—not the pain of the “Brave” Ukrainian Freedom Fighters—facing the evil minions of the insane Hitler-Putin and his goal to seize NATO and bring back the USSR.

[freeandfreezing]

Yes, lots of conflicting info on the pontoon river crossing. And since there have been several attempts from both sides it makes it even harder to figure out.

It is only hard to figure out if you are reading Russian propaganda. The only crossings attempted at that point are by Russian forces. At this point the Russians have tried 3 times to move vehicles across the river, and each time they have lost multiple vehicles and soldiers. It appears that at least one of the three attempts was an attempted retreat.

Images and video of the crossing area

Video showing shelling of the crossing Spoiler, the Russian guys trying to get the vehicle across the river get hit.

The Russians got so desperate they drove their tanks into the river.

[higgmeister]

Where are the three part videos?

I am not a twiter user and immediately get firewalled.

[PIF]

Poor Larry spreading Orc disinformation - he gives a lie, but does not answer it, instead gives an answer to a similar question not asked - constituting disinformation - a bit of truth surrounded by one or more lies, directing the focus in some other direction.

BTGs do not exist for Orcs; its a contrivance made by Western media and drive-by Pentagon types.

There was once a proposal along those lines a dozen years ago by the fraud Minister of Defense, but it went no where. Since 2012, Orc forces have been slowly converting from Brigades to Divisions under an Army designation. In the Ukraine the major components of the RGF are the 8th Army, 20th Army, and 58th Army - each with Divisions and Brigades.

[PIF]

Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu - who never served in the Army, who wears commemorative coins as medals - he’s a fraud.

[Kazan]

No, the Biden regime and Ukrainians are spread the most outlandish propaganda and you’re believing it. Your believing the Biden regime!

[freeandfreezing]

their continual screeching and screaming on behalf of the Biden regime

I haven't seen that. You seem to think somebody who is not in favor of Russia invading its neighbors is somehow a fan of the Biden regime. That's just not true.

You may not realize it, but you can be against some things that even left wing Democrats are also against. Remember, just about every leftist Democrat was and is against ISIS, Al Qaeda, and Islamic terrorism. Even Joe Biden and his administration is against Islamic terrorism.

So are you also against Islamic terrorism, ISIS, and Al Qaeda, or are you one of their supporters now that Joe Biden is opposed to them? If you are against Islamic terrorism then are you supporting Biden?

[Kazan]

Tell us why Austin called Shoigu. That isn't something those involved on the winning side do.

You are living a fantasy of propaganda. And, all that is resulting in is more dead Ukrainians and shrinking nation that is on route to being a landlocked, rump state.

But get this your skull -- conservatives will tolerate a hot war with Russia, tens of billions of taxpayer dollars spent on this war or record-high gasoline prices because of it. Any Republican backing all that needs to be marked for extermination.

[kiryandil]

His troops are apparently at killing Orkrainians.

[kiryandil]

"We are the Fighting Ukrukhai!"

After this morning's Russian shelling of Azovstal, at the chow line down in the bowels of the factory:

[higgmeister]

Remember, just about every leftist Democrat was and is against ISIS, Al Qaeda, and Islamic terrorism. Even Joe Biden and his administration is against Islamic terrorism.

So are you also against Islamic terrorism, ISIS, and Al Qaeda, or are you one of their supporters now that Joe Biden is opposed to them? If you are against Islamic terrorism then are you supporting Biden?

Where your argument fails is that just about every leftist Democrat was and is for and supports ISIS, Al Qaeda, and Islamic terrorism because it destroys our country one salami slice at a time.   "The Squad" in Congress is Islamic and they are recognized as a driving progressive force for the Democrat Party.   They are anti-semitic and as one of them even is Palestinian they stand against Israel.

[PIF]

Go back to your FSB handler’s fanciful scripts - else take your ‘extermination’ threats with you into oblivion.

JoeB loves your sort, never forget!

[PIF]

Its you who believes propaganda. I don’t care what either side says.

[Cathi]

“It is only hard to figure out if you are reading Russian propaganda.”

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I read 25 different sites multiple times a day from both sides which is why, I, unlike you, am well informed...:-)

Both sides have blown up each other’s pontoons.

And so far almost all of the information from both sides indicates that Russia is winning this war, though Ukraine does keep attempting to launch initiatives...so far the only success was a limited tactical win in Karikov.

BTW, Ukraine had a very bad day today.

“Whilst Russia withdrew from Northern Kharkiv, it is reported that overnight they:

-successfully crossed the Donets river in several locations
-fully captured Rubizhne
-advanced north from Popanska
-Broke out forwards at Avdiyivka”

Avdeevka cauldron closes Troops of the DPR and Russia occupied the positions of Ukrainian militants in the settlement. Avdiivka. On the fortified strongholds of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, hastily abandoned NATO weapons are everywhere, as well as prohibited anti-personnel mines.

Russian forces have captured the town of Oleksandropillia in Luhansk Oblast and driven Ukrainian troops to the N to Komyshuvakha

The Mayor of Rubizhne confirms that the town has fell to Russia and Ukrainian forces have been forced to retreat, stating they are being outshelled “three to one”.

Analysis: Whilst Ukraine have successfully kept their defence lines intact, Russia has in one weak significantly tightened the gap.

[Cathi]

This is her Telegram account.

https://t.me/politblogme

I don’t know if you have Telegram. Those two are the only places that she posts that I know of.

The French medic who went to Ukraine to help the Ukranians was shocked at all the war crimes he personally saw the Ukrainians commit. He is personally putting himself in danger by reporting this. He even covers the shelling at Bucca and indicates it came from the Ukranians.

He personally watched and filmed the Ukranians taking Russian POWs from vans carrying 3 or 4 at a time...asking them if they were officers. If they said no they were shot in the knee. If they said yes they were shot in the head.

[freeandfreezing]

Both sides have blown up each other’s pontoons.

Reading the same Russian propaganda at 25 sites does not improve your knowledge. No credible source has showed any evidence for an attempted crossing of the Donets river by the Ukrainian armed forces at the location of the destroyed Russian vehicles.

[freeandfreezing]

just about every leftist Democrat was and is for and supports ISIS, Al Qaeda, and Islamic terrorism

That is factually un-true, but believe what you want.

[freeandfreezing]

That isn't something those involved on the winning side do.

Said by someone whose most important phone call is to Pizza Hut.

Your speculation is not based on anything. When was the last time you decided who should call a foreign military at the highest levels?