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We Are Now At War With Russia [Karl Denninger]
The Market Ticker ^ | April 28, 2022 | Karl Denninger

Posted on 04/28/2022 4:49:25 PM PDT by kiryandil

Good God, I hope everyone in Congress recognizes what this bill, which apparently has now passed and Biden will sign it (seeing as he asked for it directly), means.

Let's recap.  Per our Constitution the military is under civilian control.  That is, the actions of the military, including weapons used by same or suitable for same, are under the control of Congress and The Executive.

Congress must authorize anything that leads to expense, and such must come from The House.  Again, this is basic Constitution stuff.

Now Congress has explicitly authorized, and Biden will sign, this bill that specifically permits the transfer to Ukraine of basically anything other than nuclear material.  Seriously folks -- that's the only real exception found in the referenced definition.

By agreeing to provide direct weaponry that can be and will be used in the waging of war by one of the two parties to same we have entered the conflict.  That our GIs are not directly there is of no consequence.  This is no different than shipping arms to Britain during WWI in the Lusitania or the lend-lease provisions in early WWII that ultimately led us to get involved there in Europe.  Indeed Pelosi directly referenced those early WWII provisions indicating that she knows damn well the implications of what Congress just did.

In fact it was lend-lease of March 1941 that led Hitler to come after the United States; we had entered the war as a belligerent by officially agreeing to supply war material to Britain.

In those two wars there was no realistic means for the Germans or other Axis powers to hit us directly on our own soil.  But they did in fact do that in response when they sunk the Lusitania, which had a bunch of Americans on board.  They could reach that ship...

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To: xkaydet65

Maybe I missed something... What did we do to effect the demise of the Bismarck?


61 posted on 04/28/2022 5:30:53 PM PDT by OKSooner (Fire Kevin McCarthy and his boyfriend Luntz, and fire Mitch too. Not next week, do it right now.)
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To: marktwain
We seem to be seeing a similar thing in Ukraine (in a much reduced scale). The Russian technology, industrial power, and tactical acumen, is a war behind what they face in the modern weaponry, tactics, intelligence, and cyber technology the Ukrainians have mustered, even though much of it is from the West. (And the West has a huge advantage in technology and industrial power, compared to the Russians).

It is worse than that for the Russians, they are fighting this war using tactics from the 1960's and weapons that are at best from the 1970's. While the Ukrainians are using much of the same equipment, with training from the US and some off the shelf drone tech to devastating effect.

62 posted on 04/28/2022 5:31:00 PM PDT by Brellium (Why Z? Because someone stole the other half of the swastika.)
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To: dforest

NO FORIEGN AID TO ANYBODY, ANYMORE!


63 posted on 04/28/2022 5:32:30 PM PDT by cowboyusa (America Cowboy up! S Matter)
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To: kiryandil
I think Russians just endure.

I think you are correct.

Where this will go? Who knows?

No one predicted what happened in WWI. The result were an unexpected disaster.

Predictions on what WWII meant were generally far off of what happened.

Stalin is said to have been surprised they won. (at lest at one or more points).

As far as I can see, Stalin was perhaps the most effective, brutal, and personally nasty leader in WWII.

Almost certainly a sociopath. But he saw the war clearly (after he recovered from Hitler betraying him before he could betray Hitler).

64 posted on 04/28/2022 5:35:10 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain
How is all that stuff gonna get there from Germany, Poland, or the Black Sea, let alone from the US?

Vlad started blowing up the railroads about 15 minutes after Austin and Cupcake left town. It will take months to ship stuff there via the Black Sea.

Russia has the advantage of much shorter supply lines, it would seem.

65 posted on 04/28/2022 5:35:37 PM PDT by OKSooner (Fire Kevin McCarthy and his boyfriend Luntz, and fire Mitch too. Not next week, do it right now.)
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To: Captain Peter Blood
Suspect you’re the one who doesn’t know any history

wakarimas desu ka.

I seriously posted an excerpt from a history site that I googled using the EXACT quote from Ribbentrop in bold.

Go back to sleep u crazy.

66 posted on 04/28/2022 5:36:33 PM PDT by Brellium (Why Z? Because someone stole the other half of the swastika.)
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To: kiryandil

Daf*ck is a “Karl Denniger”? Is he the same sh*thouse lawyer someone posted year a few days ago tryna prove being in NATO violated US law?

Geez.


67 posted on 04/28/2022 5:37:22 PM PDT by Apparatchik (If you find yourself in a confusing situation, simply laugh knowingly and walk away - Jim Ignatowsk)
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To: xkaydet65

“Hitler tried to keep us out of the war. Raeder and Doenitz repeatedly tried to get permission to fire on American ships. They both knew that we had a hand in sinking the Bismarck and that we were escorting UK bound convoys almost to Iceland. Hitler ignored them.”

Tell that to the US Merchant Marine.

From the US Merchant Marine history:

“The Germans and Japanese sank six ships manned by the US Merchant Marine in 1941 before Pearl Harbor, making mariners some of the first American casualties of the growing global conflict.”


68 posted on 04/28/2022 5:37:45 PM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: OKSooner
It will take months to ship stuff there via the Black Sea.

Turkey's Erdogan has said "Nay" to this proposition. He ain't getting his country involved.

There's already the issue of the drones - and the Russians don't forget.

69 posted on 04/28/2022 5:38:20 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: marktwain
But he saw the war clearly

Easy to do when you have almost endless cannon fodder.

Stalin was a vicious sociopath arsehole who died in his own excrement, I'm happy to say.

70 posted on 04/28/2022 5:41:03 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: kiryandil

Russia wants no part of the US/NATO. As Russians and Arabs do, they will bitch and moan, and do little to stop it.

Putin is in no position to expand his war.

He is dead politically. Soon, he will be dead literally.


71 posted on 04/28/2022 5:41:15 PM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: OKSooner
Vlad started blowing up the railroads about 15 minutes after Austin and Cupcake left town.

It is unclear how effective the Russians will be at interdicting European transport to the Ukraine.

We simply do not know how effective they will be. It is a valid question.

From previous wars, it is difficult to predict. There is also the potential (seems to be happening) for Ukraine to interdict supplies coming from Russia.

Points worth pondering.

For example, anti-aircraft munitions and anti-tank weapons are much easier to transport than tanks and armored personnel carriers.

72 posted on 04/28/2022 5:42:15 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: dforest

They so much want to be a part of the in crowd.
_______________________________________________

You can tell: they NEED to be *in* and so, they create a group that is *out*

See keywords. Correlate to ad hominems found in posts. Those are the posts to ignore.

They are killing this forum and will gladly kill anyone who disagrees with them in order to feel virtuous.

News flash: nuclear fallout will not discriminate. Economic destruction means all assets will be worthless. Everyone’s children/grandchildren/*fur kids* will be sacrificed on the altar of the current thing.

Those quick to other anyone disagreeing with them need to check if they have passes to the elite bunkers. If not, they are simply agitating for their own destruction while those that do haven’t thought through the logistics of getting to *safety* in time amid chaos.


73 posted on 04/28/2022 5:43:00 PM PDT by reformedliberal (Make yourself less available.)
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To: ought-six
Wikipedia usually formats the request as [citation needed]

Gerhard L. Weinberg. "Why Hitler Declared War on the United States." Gerhard L. Weinberg - Accessed 4/28/2022. https://www.historynet.com/hitler-declared-war-united-states/

74 posted on 04/28/2022 5:43:11 PM PDT by Brellium (Why Z? Because someone stole the other half of the swastika.)
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To: kiryandil
Stalin was a vicious sociopath arsehole

I agree.

He was able to muster the forces and win the war against Hitler, at unbelievable cost.

Ukraine is facing an existential threat from Russia.

Russia is not facing an existential threat from Ukraine.

75 posted on 04/28/2022 5:46:05 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: kiryandil
Well, no matter how many times you try to pimp this Russian propanganda website that actually uses the Russian imperial double-headed eagle as its logo, it doesn’t make this garbage true.
76 posted on 04/28/2022 5:47:13 PM PDT by Apparatchik (If you find yourself in a confusing situation, simply laugh knowingly and walk away - Jim Ignatowsk)
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To: DuncanWaring

Yeah… ignore or point your finger and laugh.


77 posted on 04/28/2022 5:52:49 PM PDT by Levy78 (Reject modernity, embrace tradition. )
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To: OKSooner; All
What did we do to effect the demise of the Bismarck?

It was an American plane PBY-5 and an American pilot (a British pilot was in charge, at least nominally) who spotted the Bismark.

78 posted on 04/28/2022 5:53:32 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: Apparatchik
I'm sure everyone is listening to the anonymous dude on Free Republic who knows more than two guys [not anonymous] who've been doing what they do for more than a few years.

It is to laugh.

79 posted on 04/28/2022 5:53:35 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: Brellium

I read a couple of Weinberg’s books years ago; the one I particularly remember is the one he wrote with Hugh Trevor-Roper, one of my favorite historians.


80 posted on 04/28/2022 5:56:11 PM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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