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We Are Now At War With Russia [Karl Denninger]
The Market Ticker ^ | April 28, 2022 | Karl Denninger

Posted on 04/28/2022 4:49:25 PM PDT by kiryandil

Good God, I hope everyone in Congress recognizes what this bill, which apparently has now passed and Biden will sign it (seeing as he asked for it directly), means.

Let's recap.  Per our Constitution the military is under civilian control.  That is, the actions of the military, including weapons used by same or suitable for same, are under the control of Congress and The Executive.

Congress must authorize anything that leads to expense, and such must come from The House.  Again, this is basic Constitution stuff.

Now Congress has explicitly authorized, and Biden will sign, this bill that specifically permits the transfer to Ukraine of basically anything other than nuclear material.  Seriously folks -- that's the only real exception found in the referenced definition.

By agreeing to provide direct weaponry that can be and will be used in the waging of war by one of the two parties to same we have entered the conflict.  That our GIs are not directly there is of no consequence.  This is no different than shipping arms to Britain during WWI in the Lusitania or the lend-lease provisions in early WWII that ultimately led us to get involved there in Europe.  Indeed Pelosi directly referenced those early WWII provisions indicating that she knows damn well the implications of what Congress just did.

In fact it was lend-lease of March 1941 that led Hitler to come after the United States; we had entered the war as a belligerent by officially agreeing to supply war material to Britain.

In those two wars there was no realistic means for the Germans or other Axis powers to hit us directly on our own soil.  But they did in fact do that in response when they sunk the Lusitania, which had a bunch of Americans on board.  They could reach that ship...

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To: marktwain

Don’t be a jerk… you knew he meant CONUS


41 posted on 04/28/2022 5:18:39 PM PDT by Ouderkirk (The democRATS are not looking to govern, they intIend to RULE.)
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To: captain_jonas
There may be something to what you are saying. Remember Eisenhower's "military industrial complex"?

If all our weapons are gone, that means we will have to make more, and I'm pretty sure all these suppliers are connected to DC.

42 posted on 04/28/2022 5:19:43 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Brellium
20 year old accounts don't need an about page to stroke their ego.

 face with tears of joy  face with tears of joy  face with tears of joy  face with tears of joy

Good point.   winking face ROFL face

I will allow that Denninger can be a bit of an egotist at times - but he brings the receipts.

43 posted on 04/28/2022 5:19:54 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: Levy78

I would imagine a lot of freepers are way too old to be very useful in a war.


44 posted on 04/28/2022 5:21:06 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Starboard
Ever read Robert Heinlein?

He had a term: "The silly season."

45 posted on 04/28/2022 5:22:16 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp
Now I see how the Germans went full Nazi.

They're still going full Nazi.

Many ordinary Germans want the war with Russia [the voices on the TeeVee are telling them so] - but the German businesses know what that means economically.

46 posted on 04/28/2022 5:22:31 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: kiryandil
Very similar to the Germans, the Japanese had some fantastic early successes, which helped convince them and the world they were unstoppable.

But they were mostly flukes, brought about by the other side fighting the last war.

As the war progressed, it became obvious the technology and industrial power, as well as tactical acumen, were on the American side of the Japanese/American conflict.

We seem to be seeing a similar thing in Ukraine (in a much reduced scale). The Russian technology, industrial power, and tactical acumen, is a war behind what they face in the modern weaponry, tactics, intelligence, and cyber technology the Ukrainians have mustered, even though much of it is from the West. (And the West has a huge advantage in technology and industrial power, compared to the Russians).

Probably the biggest difference is one of morale. The Ukrainians have the home court advantage, as did the British, Russians, and Americans in WWII.

My suspicion is the German soldiers had far higher morale in WWII than the Russian soldiers do now.

47 posted on 04/28/2022 5:23:28 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: DiogenesLamp; captain_jonas
There may be something to what you are saying. Remember Eisenhower's "military industrial complex"?

If all our weapons are gone, that means we will have to make more, and I'm pretty sure all these suppliers are connected to DC.

The guys at The Duran are saying exactly that - they're calling it the MIC.

48 posted on 04/28/2022 5:24:32 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: kiryandil
I am not at war with Russia....and those who want to be, send you sons and grandsons and nephews.....

Enough!

49 posted on 04/28/2022 5:25:05 PM PDT by cherry (;)
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To: kiryandil
They're still going full Nazi.

Many ordinary Germans want the war with Russia [the voices on the TeeVee are telling them so] - but the German businesses know what that means economically.

Ran across this quote some years ago.

Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

50 posted on 04/28/2022 5:25:24 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Ouderkirk
Don’t be a jerk… you knew he meant CONUS

It is a large difference, and he did not state it, probably because it undercut his narrative.

It is the main reason we got into WWII.

51 posted on 04/28/2022 5:25:53 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: kiryandil
I will allow that Denninger can be a bit of an egotist at times - but he brings the receipts.

It's usually wise to check your receipts just to make sure what you purchased is 'correctly' listed.

52 posted on 04/28/2022 5:26:04 PM PDT by Brellium (Why Z? Because someone stole the other half of the swastika.)
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To: DiogenesLamp

I’m sure they could serve REMFS and POGs.


53 posted on 04/28/2022 5:26:26 PM PDT by Levy78 (Reject modernity, embrace tradition. )
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To: marktwain

“So, Pearl Harbor never happened?”

I guess not. Nor the Japanese attacks in Alaska and the Aleutian Islands. Or Midway. Or Wake.


54 posted on 04/28/2022 5:26:41 PM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: Levy78

One of the warmongers, if you suggest he grab a rifle and join the fight, responds that you’re a “Putin puffer”.


55 posted on 04/28/2022 5:27:24 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: marktwain
As the war progressed, it became obvious the technology and industrial power, as well as tactical acumen, were on the American side of the Japanese/American conflict.

That's why I posted that famous picture of a Murderer's Row of American fleet carriers.

My suspicion is the German soldiers had far higher morale in WWII than the Russian soldiers do now.

I think Russians just endure.

I've spoken of this before. You see it in the resurgence of the Orthodox faith in Russia, after brutal suppression and wanton killing under the Red Tsars.

56 posted on 04/28/2022 5:27:35 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: marktwain

Don’t be disingenuous He’s referring to hitting the continental United States not Pearl Harbor


57 posted on 04/28/2022 5:29:33 PM PDT by Captain Peter Blood
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To: cherry
I'm agin war with Russia.

There are many here who dislike my "not our circus, not our monkeys" postings.

58 posted on 04/28/2022 5:29:44 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: xkaydet65

The US was always going to fight Nazi Germany


59 posted on 04/28/2022 5:30:25 PM PDT by cowboyusa (America Cowboy up! S Matter)
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To: Brellium

Suspect you’re the one who doesn’t know any history


60 posted on 04/28/2022 5:30:33 PM PDT by Captain Peter Blood
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