Posted on 04/25/2022 5:34:42 PM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007
Everyone wishes to argue "Article 5" of the NATO treaty, which is the mutual-defense pact. You get attacked and we all get attacked.
Ok.
What does Article I say?
The Parties undertake, as set forth in the Charter of the United Nations, to settle any international dispute in which they may be involved by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security and justice are not endangered, and to refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force in any manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations.
Shipping arms into an area where armed conflict is either occurring or threatening to occur, where the destination is NOT a NATO member and thus is NOT subject to NATO's mutual defense obligations is a clear violation of Article I. It is escalatory, it is a threat to use force or enables the actual use of force, and thus is a clear violation of Article I.
How about Article 8?
Each Party declares that none of the international engagements now in force between it and any other of the Parties or any third State is in conflict with the provisions of this Treaty, and undertakes not to enter into any international engagement in conflict with this Treaty.
Providing arms to a belligerent not a member of NATO violates this provision in that it can cause a mutual defense obligation to arise that would otherwise not. Therefore NATO members are obligated to stay out of non-member conflicts except with the unanimous consent of all members.
Intervening in a non-member's conflict, in short, by other than unanimous consent is a violation of the treaty.
How about Article 11?
This Treaty shall be ratified and its provisions carried out by the Parties in accordance with their respective constitutional processes. The instruments of ratification shall be deposited as soon as possible with the Government of the United States of America, which will notify all the other signatories of each deposit. The Treaty shall enter into force between the States which have ratified it as soon as the ratifications of the majority of the signatories, including the ratifications of Belgium, Canada, France, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, the United Kingdom and the United States, have been deposited and shall come into effect with respect to other States on the date of the deposit of their ratifications. (3)
For the United States to engage in the elements of a proxy war, which it did at Maidan and now through the provision of arms without a declaration of said war by Congress is a direct violation of the US Constitution and thus a violation of the treaty.
Fraud vitiates all agreements.
Therefore no nation is obligated under any other provision of the NATO Treaty and each and every nation at this time that has in any way violated the above provisions, which includes the United States, is not entitled under its provisions to anything, including mutual defense under Article 5.
Agreements stand and fall on the integrity of the parties so-involved, and when repeated, blatant and outrageous violations of same, with intent and to disadvantage others take place that has a name in both law and common practice.
FRAUD.
Fraud vitiates all agreements, whether in handshake, contract, treaty or otherwise.
Go ahead and try to change my mind.
before the period
That’s some pretty half-assed amateur lawyering there, I have to say.
“Someday you’ll learn a very hard lesson about remembering which team you’re playing on.”
An insightful comment on the genesis of general war.
Russia vs Ukraine is not general war, and the US has no real interests in either the fight or the outcome.
But if NATO keeps poking we’ll no doubt have to pick a side.
As it is, we don’t.
I probably have you by 20 IQ points, neoconned dup.
It's like being on Twitter or Fecesbook.
Some neoclown dupe doesn't like information that contradicts his little globalist Narrative getting out, so he shrieks and slaps the "disinformation" label on it.
Sit and spin, globalist dupe.
How about President Trump pointing out that the countries of NATO are not fulfilled their monetary requirements called for under the treaty.
This renders the treaty null and void.
Well at least we didn’t overthrow the British Monarchy.
Bingo and Trump called them on it and was demonized by all the neocon elites.
NATO was formed for one purpose and one purpose only: to secure American military might in the defense of an exhausted postwar Europe faced with the threat of the Red Army who really were at their doorstep. That’s it. All this other happy horse sh*t is secondary bureaucratic elaboration which has encrusted the alliance in excuses to continue to exist.
It was also meant to put to bed all the other traditional Euro rivalries that led to past wars.
It mostly succeeded, except for once, when Turkey invaded Northern Cyprus in 1974.
“But Russia is not allowed to have “red lines” on Ukraine joining NATO - right on Russia’s doorstep.”
Like Great Britain and France shouldn’t have had an alliance with Poland - right on Hitler’s doorstep, even though Hitler had a non-aggression pact with Poland.
When Saint Zel of The Coke Line addressed the Cypriot parliament, he kind of “forgot” to mention the Turkish invasion of Cyprus while pimping his version of the Russian invasion of Ukraine...
Your a damn fed...sit down!
Yes! That’s a funny one!
Yes! That’s a funny one!
Depends.
“He never understood that Trump is Toto in The Wizard of Oz - drawing back the curtain for all of us to see The Wizard.”
Very good characterization.
“I’m on the American team and all those who want to tell me America is no better than Russia or China, are not on my team.”
I’ve got your six, and totally agree. That’s why it’s nice watching from a distance, and seeing the Russians get a hiding. For once, I agree with Austin when he said we want a weakened Russia.
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