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Analysis on: [1] Ukraine's Nazi past, Khmelnytskyi etc. & VS its current Jewish prez., [2] Putin's war
DP ^ | Mar 19, 2022

Posted on 03/20/2022 1:19:52 PM PDT by Conservat1

[https://twitter.com/michael_mils/status/1505091956657082371]

מיכאל Michael Milshtein/ميخائيل ميلشطاين @michael_mils

Head of the Palestinian Studies Forum - Dayan Center/Tel Aviv University Mar 19, 2022:

To imagine the integration of Jews into Ukrainian national action, the one that was tightly connected to religious and ethnic foundations and mostly saturated with anti-Semitism. Indeed, all of Ukraine's struggles for independence over the past 350 years have been accompanied by massacres of Jews [falsely] "identified" with Kyiv's enemies and oppressors, particularly Russia and Poland.

The last and most horrific expression was the widespread (and enthusiastic) involvement in the Nazi extermination effort accompanied by independent pogroms by Ukrainians, participation in mass killings and guarding of extermination camps (along with heavy massacres carried out in two Soviet wars and in the Polish population).

Ukraine in the fight against a bitter historical enemy with no antisemitic voices in the background is not self-evident and testifies to how far Kyiv has gone in shaping its new identity trying to connect with the West and move away from the East.

The war seized Ukraine in the midst of a re-formation of identity, a process that still contains many contradictions. On a tour of Lvov you can move within minutes from monuments to national leaders who fought for independence but their hands are dipped in Jewish blood (Khmelnytskyi and Petliura) to monuments in memory of the Holocaust or to commemorate mostly Jewish artists, such as Shalom Aleichem. Like many Eastern European countries, Ukraine has yet to perform a poignant introspection of its past and preferred the narrative that it was a victim of the Nazis over engaging in mass cooperation with them. In Ukraine this is more relevant than in Lithuania, Croatia or Slovakia as it still has a large Jewish community integrated and influential in the country.

Borrowing from Ben-Gurion's statement about Germany, it can be argued that "there is another Ukraine", but not completely, that is, not one that has advanced a sincere discussion of its past and thus reminds Poland of a clash against the past which has recently led to a sharp crisis in relations with Israel. A blatant expression of this was given in the words of the Ukrainian ambassador to Israel two weeks ago, in which he mentioned the "historic debt of rescuing masses of Jews by Ukrainians in World War II,"[sic] [supposedly] - a statement that of course highlights points from the past but pushes large dark spaces... It is impossible to understand the struggle between the two nations without a deep acquaintance with their near and distant common past. It is an open story of closeness and a lot of hatred and blood in which the past is constantly ... for the needs of the present.

An interesting expression of this is embodied in the memory of World War II mobilized by both sides: Moscow calls the regime in Kyiv fascist or "Bandera's gangs" (named after the nationalist leader who collaborated with the Nazis) and on Russian military vehicles hung the Soviet flag 75 years ago, and the Ukrainians for their part present Putin as a successor to Hitler and echo the narrative that they were the victims of both the Nazis and the Soviets.

And a tone of (cautious) optimism to finish. Today's discouraging war may be an event during which nations and national identities are formed. The very act of resisting an external enemy may reinforce an identity that was loose or create an identity that did not exist at all between individuals and groups of the same entity.

This is the model that developed during the American Revolutionary War, in the campaigns that Turkey conducted in its early days, and less successfully in Tito's partisan war in Yugoslavia. The buds of the same trend have also been seen in Ukraine over the past month and may be considered at the end of the campaign a strategic achievement that could balance - even slightly - the heavy price of mass killing, destruction and territorial erosion that this country has experienced since February 24th.


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1 posted on 03/20/2022 1:19:52 PM PDT by Conservat1
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2 posted on 03/20/2022 1:38:18 PM PDT by tlozo (Trump-the Russian invasion of Ukraine is " truly a crime against humanity")
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To: Conservat1

The Azov battalion was organized in 2014 when the poorly armed and unprepared Ukrainian army was forced to fight an unexpected war against Kremlin-orchestrated “separatism” in eastern Ukraine. Seeing how the military was failing, one of the richest Ukrainian industrialists and the governor of the Dnipro Oblast, Igor Kolomoisky, spent a hefty chunk of his own money to recruit and arm a volunteer battalion to defend Ukraine.

The unit was named Azov after the small Azov Sea in southern Ukraine. This was quickly followed by a series of Ukrainian victories, in which Azov played a part. Its initial sponsor, Kolomoisky, is Jewish and has since become an Israeli citizen, living in Israel.

Not exactly neo-Nazi material, but the media influencers conveniently omit that fact. The smear is as absurd as if Hitler were to spread rumors about General Patton being a Nazi so as to hinder the American war effort.


3 posted on 03/20/2022 1:45:11 PM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com
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4 posted on 03/20/2022 1:51:06 PM PDT by JonPreston (Q: Never have so many, been so wrong, so often)
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To: Conservat1

8 threads on this stupid war. This place is a bore.


5 posted on 03/20/2022 1:55:58 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods (The only way to secure your own future is to create it yourself.)
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INTERESTING FACTOID:
Golda Meir (born Golda Mabovitc) was born in Kyiv, Ukraine

Personal connections
https://www.israel21c.org/for-israelis-the-outpouring-of-aid-to-ukraine-is-personal/

Not only are roughly half a million Israelis of Ukrainian descent, but about 26,000 Ukrainian nationals live in Israel and an estimated 300,000 Jews reside in Ukraine, like Rotshtein’s family.

And so, while numerous Israeli governmental and non-governmental organizations are helping all Ukrainian refugees pouring into border countries, the world’s only Jewish country has a special role to play.

EMT Yechiel Gurfein, a member of United Hatzalah of Israel’s mission to help Ukrainian refugees in Moldova, reports that delegation members were invited to bless the newlyweds at a double wedding in the Kishinev (Chisinau) Jewish community.

“This is a major part of our mission: To remind everyone that all of Israel is responsible for one another and that we are all brothers, and that no one is ever alone, no matter what they are going through,” Gurfein said.
United Hatzalah personnel at a Jewish wedding in Moldova. Photo courtesy of United Hatzalah of Israel

Hagit Krakov, head of mission for IsraAID in Moldova, is of Moldovan heritage and most of her relief team has roots in the area as well.

“We’ve met many people who have family in Israel, both Ukrainians crossing with Jewish heritage and also Moldovans,” said Ethan Schwartz, IsraAID’s spokesman...

SAFE HARBOR IN ISRAEL

Israel has absorbed the most Ukrainians per capita since the Russian invasion than any other Western country without a land border with Ukraine, said Interior Minister Ayelet Shaked.

Some 15,000 Ukrainians could arrive in Israel by the end of the month, “90 percent of whom are not eligible to be included under the Law of Return [having one Jewish grandparent],” she said. The World Zionist Organization is setting up temporary housing.

“Israel is uniquely ready to absorb and give citizenship to the most Ukrainian nationals in the world. This is the very great challenge that awaits us vis-à-vis housing, employment and other areas,” Shaked said.

On March 6, about 100 Jewish Ukrainian orphans landed along with orphanage staffers. They were evacuated with the assistance of the Israeli embassy in Romania, which is aiding Ukrainian refugees of all faiths.

The children were greeted by Prime Minister Naftali Bennett and Minister of Aliyah and Integration Pnina Tamano-Shata – herself a former refugee from Ethiopia — and bused to the KKL-JNF field school in Ness Harim, where local children welcomed them for an expected month-long stay.”

https://www.israel21c.org/for-israelis-the-outpouring-of-aid-to-ukraine-is-personal/


6 posted on 03/20/2022 1:57:55 PM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com
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LOL. Do you know that Kolomoiski is wanted in the US? If they are not Nazis, why do they have Hitler’s portraits and Nazi flags?


7 posted on 03/20/2022 2:08:28 PM PDT by NorseViking
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8 posted on 03/20/2022 2:11:32 PM PDT by Varsity Flight ( "War by the prophesies set before you." I Timothy 1:18)
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To: Conservat1

WWII was a long time ago.


9 posted on 03/20/2022 2:11:46 PM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

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10 posted on 03/20/2022 2:14:45 PM PDT by Varsity Flight ( "War by the prophesies set before you." I Timothy 1:18)
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To: NorseViking

Kolomoisky controlled PrivatBank when it was taken into public ownership in 2016 after alleged fraud left $5.5bn missing from its balance sheet.

In March last year, the Biden administration banned Kolomoisky and his family from entering the US over these allegations. Kolomoisky has always denied wrongdoing.

The current war can be traced directly to 2014 in Ukraine.

The goal was to bring Ukraine into NATO, the anti-Russia military alliance which Moscow opposed.

Full circle: The Azov Battalion

The Azov battalion was organized in 2014 when the poorly armed and unprepared Ukrainian army was forced to fight an unexpected war against Kremlin-orchestrated “separatism” in eastern Ukraine. Seeing how the military was failing, one of the richest Ukrainian industrialists and the governor of the Dnipro Oblast, Igor Kolomoisky, spent a hefty chunk of his own money to recruit and arm a volunteer battalion to defend Ukraine.

The unit was named Azov after the small Azov Sea in southern Ukraine. This was quickly followed by a series of Ukrainian victories, in which Azov played a part. Its initial sponsor, Kolomoisky, is Jewish and has since become an Israeli citizen, living in Israel.

Not exactly neo-Nazi material, but the media influencers conveniently omit that fact. The smear is as absurd as if Hitler were to spread rumors about General Patton being a Nazi so as to hinder the American war effort.

In a 15 March email from ADL CEO Jonathan Greenblatt remarked on how “anti-Semitic conspiracy theories and other misinformation are spreading in the wake of the invasion.”


11 posted on 03/20/2022 2:32:02 PM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com
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Thanks. Israel21c.org and israaid.org are great refreshing news.


12 posted on 03/20/2022 2:51:48 PM PDT by Conservat1
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To: JonPreston
Alexander Petrovich Barkashov is a Russian political leader and far-right nationalist who in 1990 founded Russian National Unity, a fascist paramilitary organization. Russian National Unity (RNU) was an unregistered neo-Nazi, irredentist group based in Russia and operating in states with Russian-speaking populations. the organization was registered as "a club for military and patriotic upbringing" and later was recognized by local officials as "a volunteer people's self-protection unit". The RNU developed a cadre of armed paramilitaries, known as Russian Vityazi, to achieve its goals by being trained in the use of small arms and explosives. The group split into a number of other groups: i.e. Alexander Barkashov, Russian Orthodox Army, and others engaging in pro-Russian activism in Donbas conflict.
13 posted on 03/20/2022 3:33:34 PM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com
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Russian Nazis and Fascists
14 posted on 03/20/2022 3:39:22 PM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com
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Quit with the nazi apoligist tour will ya. They’re nazis. And they are going the way of german nazis hopefully


15 posted on 03/20/2022 3:42:43 PM PDT by Long Jon No Silver
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Are there really neo-Nazis fighting for Ukraine? Well, yes — but it’s a long story

https://www.salon.com/2022/03/10/are-there-really-neo-nazis-fighting-for-ukraine-well-yes—but-its-a-long-story/

Excerpt:

Ukraine’s neo-Nazi Svoboda Party and its founders, Oleh Tyahnybok and Andriy Parubiy, played leading roles in the U.S-backed coup in February 2014. Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and U.S. ambassador Geoffrey Pyatt mentioned Tyahnybok as one of the leaders they were working with in their infamous leaked phone call before the coup, even as they tried to exclude him from an official position in the post-coup government.

As formerly peaceful protests in Kyiv gave way to pitched battles with police and violent, armed marches to try to break through police barricades and reach the Parliament building, Svoboda members and the newly-formed Right Sector militia, led by Dmytro Yarosh, battled police, spearheaded marches and raided a police armory for weapons. By mid-February 2014, these men with guns were the de facto leaders of the Maidan movement.


16 posted on 03/20/2022 3:57:59 PM PDT by jacknhoo ( Luke 12:51; Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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US, RUSSIA, UKRAINE
Joe Biden and the 2014 Coup in Ukraine: 100 people massacred
Barack Obama, Joe Biden involved. And George Soros, John Brennan, John Kerry, Victoria Nuland, Eric Ciaramella

https://gregrubini.substack.com/p/massacre-ukraine-2014?s=r

Ukraine On Fire
https://rumble.com/vwxxi8-ukraine-on-fire.html

And part 2
Revealing Ukraine
https://rumble.com/vwy6pm-revealing-ukraine.html


17 posted on 03/20/2022 4:01:01 PM PDT by jacknhoo ( Luke 12:51; Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: SaxxonWoods

There’s a thread about a glass tumbler over in chat.


18 posted on 03/20/2022 4:01:25 PM PDT by BenLurkin ((The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion, or satire. Or both.))
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There’s a thread about a glass tumbler over in chat.

That's a good 'un.

19 posted on 03/20/2022 5:03:28 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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“Barack Obama, Joe Biden involved. And George Soros, John Brennan, John Kerry, Victoria Nuland, Eric Ciaramella”

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What a terrible cabal..


20 posted on 03/20/2022 8:28:49 PM PDT by Conservat1
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