Posted on 03/06/2022 6:24:46 PM PST by shadowlands1960
“If we threw him a bone, like Crimea, he might be satisfied with that.”
I hope so, but I fear that won’t be enough.
Russia has just been kicked out of the international financial system.
The Russians will want more than Crimea to get back in.
You'd think with Russian satellites, not to mention people on the ground, they'd be able to light them up upon entry.
> They needed a bloody war so bad. <
Biden’s handlers are aware of two things. One, current polls look bad for the Democrats. And two, in a war people naturally rally around the president.
So it’s easy to fix that poll problem. Just start a war.
I think that Soros and his spawn should show their commitment to Ukraine and fly some missions.
They aren’t chicken, are they?
But I suspect anyone caught speaking Russian near a Polish airfield would get some very special treatment from the Poles.
The big issue would be Ukraine's security. To me the minimum would be heavily armed neutrality guaranteed by the US and Russia, exclusion of foreign forces except trainers, and exclusion of Russian and foreign troops from Belarus (also guaranteed by treaty). Return of Russia and US to INF and Conventional Forces in Europe. No NATO for Ukraine, but open to EU. Play it as similar to the Austrian treaty.
C’mon...Russia like China has spies all over the world, so I’m very confident they have them next door in Ukraine.
I don’t think the Russians drew any red lines but NATO is toeing a very dangerous one by committing and killing Russians with NATO weaponry. Escalatory step one.
It seems like a good proposal to get the ball rolling.
Maybe the State Department should hire you as a negotiator.
You seem a lot smarter than many of the morons I’m watching on TV.
Putin has said all along no nukes, no NATO on Ukraine soil. Over and over that has publicly been his red line.
Unfortunately that's usually not difficult.
What's more worrying is that I seem to have a firmer grasp of reality than US officials, who seem to think a long, drawn out war will lead to a Russian withdrawal. This isn't Afghanistan, and Putin will certainly never give in to the Ukrainians. He's more likely to escalate, especially since the current policy of arming with no intervention appears cynical and cowardly.
Look for a deer in the headlights look from Blinken when Putin threatens or missiles a Polish airfield, or a sudden volte face where the US attacks without consulting US allies.
The only thing these asshats know how to do is pour gasoline on a dumpster fire.
At the rate we are going, this thing is going to go nuclear.
and cover the lies of the last two years plus the whole election, smelling like roses unless Putin goes full nuke and the ME explodes.
Ummm... Is it just me or does anyone else think that its none of our business what any other NATO country decides to send on their own? As long as they are flying their own colors while doing so I have no problem.
Where do they planto base these aircraft?
The Russians will plaster them on the ground as fast as they park them. Then what ?
Have to be inside NATO territories .
You, of course, are absolutely right. I was thinking more of the production that Obama made out his red lines. Prime time, fist shaking, “one NATO tank, one more NATO plane and Russia begins retaliating on NATO targets in NATO counties”. Apparently the American people have little understanding of the nuances of the escalatory process. They need a simple one step, one reaction, tit for tat threat to understand. I read Herman Kahn’s book “On Escalation” 50 years ago. It changed the way I looked at potential nuclear war. We have already climbed two or three rungs up the escalatory ladder to Armageddon. I feel I’m living my nightmare. Important book, important concept. It’s too terrifying to suggest you read it now if you haven’t already.
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Thermonuclear annihilation, says Kahn, is unlikely to come through accident; but nations may elect to climb the ladder to extinction. The basic material for the book was developed in briefings delivered by Kahn to military and civilian experts and revised in the light of his findings of a trip to Vietnam in the 1960s. In On Escalation he states the facts squarely. He asks the reader to face unemotionally the terrors of a world fully capable of suicide and to consider carefully the alternatives to such a path.
In the never-never land of nuclear warfare, where nuclear incredulity is pervasive and paralyzing to the imagination even for the professional analyst, salient details of possible scenarios for the outbreak of war, and even more for war fighting, are largely unexplored or even unnoticed. For scenarios in which war is terminated, the issues and possibilities of which are almost completely unstudied, the situation is even worse. Kahn’s discussion throws light on the terrain and gives the individual a sense of the range of possibilities and complexities involved and are useful.
It sounds like you read Herman Kahn’s book, “On Escalation” too.
Product Description
In this widely discussed and influential book, Herman Kahn probes the dynamics of escalation and demonstrates how the intensification of conflict can be depicted by means of a definite escalation ladder, ascent of which brings opponents closer to all-out war. At each rung of the ladder, before the climb proceeds, decisions must be made based on numerous choices. Some are clear and obvious, others obscure, but the options are always there.
Thermonuclear annihilation, says Kahn, is unlikely to come through accident; but nations may elect to climb the ladder to extinction. The basic material for the book was developed in briefings delivered by Kahn to military and civilian experts and revised in the light of his findings of a trip to Vietnam in the 1960s. In On Escalation he states the facts squarely. He asks the reader to face unemotionally the terrors of a world fully capable of suicide and to consider carefully the alternatives to such a path.
In the never-never land of nuclear warfare, where nuclear incredulity is pervasive and paralyzing to the imagination even for the professional analyst, salient details of possible scenarios for the outbreak of war, and even more for war fighting, are largely unexplored or even unnoticed. For scenarios in which war is terminated, the issues and possibilities of which are almost completely unstudied, the situation is even worse. Kahn’s discussion throws light on the terrain and gives the individual a sense of the range of possibilities and complexities involved and are useful.
Next headline:
Poland quits NATO, enforces no-fly zone.
Biden’s “minor incursion into Ukraine”.
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