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Col. Douglas Macgregor: “I would expect NATO to begin to break up over the Russian invasion of Ukraine”
YouTube ^ | Feb 2022 | Sky News UK

Posted on 03/03/2022 6:59:44 AM PST by CondoleezzaProtege

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To: GOPJ

Germany and Japan were not armed with nuclear weapons...what Putin is doing now is the most “in your face” confrontation in the nuclear age...Hitler began his blitzkrieg, he was challenged immediately. In 2022, Putin is doing as he pleases in Ukraine, and nobody from the outside is physically stopping him...he’s turned “mutual assured destruction” into a “weapon”...just astonishing...


41 posted on 03/03/2022 7:35:09 AM PST by basalt
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To: Williams

You are falling for mass media propaganda.

Russia has vital military interests in the Ukraine—and the West was arming them heavily.

We do not have a monopoly on virtue.

Wake up.


42 posted on 03/03/2022 7:35:32 AM PST by cgbg (A kleptocracy--if they can keep it. Think of it as the Cantillon Effect in action.)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

How about getting the US out of NATO. It would probably fold then.


43 posted on 03/03/2022 7:36:14 AM PST by McGruff (A Lie Can Travel Halfway Around the World Before the Truth Puts On its Shoes.)
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To: tlozo

Yeah, but will they actually pay their fair share in money and blood or will Americans be doing all the paying as we mostly do now?

How many wars have we won since NATO?

I


44 posted on 03/03/2022 7:36:31 AM PST by dforest
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To: allendale
Russians are willing to go to war because they cannot tolerate former parts of the USSR to be allied with NATO and have hostile military forces on their borders.

The big problem with this is that NATO is not really hostile to Russia.

NATO was formed in response to the Soviet Union as a hostile, aggressive foe.

If anything, Russian aggression is convincing NATO nations they need to keep up the organization.

NATO had plenty of opportunities to invade, as Russia was extremely weak. They did not do so.

Russia does not have anything NATO wants.

45 posted on 03/03/2022 7:39:32 AM PST by marktwain
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

Come back in 6-8 weeks and I think we will see that his predictions have been substantially correct.

Disagreeing with FR groupthink doesn’t make one wrong.


46 posted on 03/03/2022 7:39:34 AM PST by bigbob
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To: cgbg
"In the first year many Russian units were riding horseback and were routed....

and in the final year of WWII) they routed Germany - using armaments supplied by the USA "Lend-Lease" program.

47 posted on 03/03/2022 7:40:25 AM PST by norwaypinesavage (Capitalism is what happens when you leave people alone.)
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

Maybe I missed it in the linked article, but I didn’t see a call for elimination. Updating it seems is more what he calls for, that the service is set up to fight 19th to mid-20th conflicts.

I imagine that could be debatable, but it doesn’t seem too far out to raise as an observation or critique.

But at any rate, on his thoughts here, even if I found most everything the guy says to be way off I’d chalk it up to the “stopped clock” or “blind squirrel” phenom of getting something right. e.g. Bill Maher or Geraldo getting it right, against all odds.

In any conflict, and especially this one, I’d keep Bob Dylan’s advice in mind “Don’t speak too soon, for the wheel’s still in spin.”


48 posted on 03/03/2022 7:42:12 AM PST by LouieFisk
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To: McGruff

“How about getting the US out of NATO. It would probably fold then.”

I’d second that. Along with the UN they’ve set a record for mooching and sliding.


49 posted on 03/03/2022 7:44:16 AM PST by LouieFisk
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To: butlerweave

The real danger for the West is cyber warfare and a global depression. The West has declared war economically on Russia. We are trying to cause regime change in Russia, but we are risking devastating consequences for the global economy. The law of unintended consequences will prevail.


50 posted on 03/03/2022 7:44:33 AM PST by kabar
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

He has lost all creditability. Why Tucker has him on is beyond me.


51 posted on 03/03/2022 7:46:17 AM PST by roving
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To: Starboard

Oh, Okay, Norway is already a member.

Thanks


52 posted on 03/03/2022 7:50:03 AM PST by Maris Crane
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To: rrrod

With UKs increasing foreign immigration, its failed socialist policies coming home to roost it won’t be for long, IMO. I think the same thing goes for the US. Sure, the US has the technological and armed conflict experience but its ability is slowly declining, both in expenditures and in resolve by its leaders to treat it as what it should be - the stick behind diplomacy.

Last time I looked only 5 NATO members are meeting their pledged goals of spending at least 2% of their GDP on military support: US, UK, Greece, Estonia and Poland IIRC. Where’s the leader of the EU - Germany? Where’s the vaunted French? The US? It was at 4% then.

AFAIC, NATO doesn’t follow its charter, makes adjustments to it to suit its member countries’ goals (like picking UN Resolutions to enforce in the case of Libya), and all it does is to look to the US for support against the Bear when Germany, France and all the rest of the EU should be spending their own money on their own EDF. I say the sooner it goes, the better...


53 posted on 03/03/2022 7:50:44 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

I might even go a bit further…we may well look back on Kabul 2021 as the equivalent of The Angle at Gettysburg, the high-water mark of the militaristic Western Civilization. What we are witnessing in Ukraine is the next step in throwing back the West into retreat. As that continues, NATO, at least as currently conceived, will at some point be a natural casualty in the process.


54 posted on 03/03/2022 7:51:38 AM PST by Scott from the Left Coast (Defund Politicians )
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

Marines are the Navy’s infantry. The Navy is the only branch of service that has it’s own navy, air force and infantry. Taking the navy infantry away from it is a very bad idea.


55 posted on 03/03/2022 7:52:56 AM PST by jpsb
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To: tlozo

NATO expansion after the fall of the Soviet Union was the cause of what is happening now. The US has become the guarantor of sovereignty for all NATO members.

Instead of including former Warsaw Pact members in NATO, we should have made inclusionary offers to Russia to be part of Europe. NATO is a paper tiger. Most countries are not spending enough on defense and there are interoperability problems. The US, UK, and France are the only real military powers.

FYI: Norway is already part of NATO.


56 posted on 03/03/2022 7:54:03 AM PST by kabar
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Absurd. NATO costs NATO countries, in real terms, somewhere between 5-50 cents on their dollar, for US manpower and weaponry. No NATO country is going to give up that bargain, hell that is a lower opportunity cost than most mandarin labor shops.


57 posted on 03/03/2022 7:54:26 AM PST by StAnDeliver (Each of you have at least 1 of these in your 401k: Pfizer, Moderna, AstraZeneca, J&J, Merck and GSK)
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To: GOPJ

I concur


58 posted on 03/03/2022 7:55:15 AM PST by mrmeyer (You can't conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him. Robert Heinlein)
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To: marktwain

Russia supplies about 50% of the energy needs of Europe.


59 posted on 03/03/2022 7:55:49 AM PST by kabar
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To: jimwatx
I assume you didn't read the article I linked....

In a 2012 opinion piece for Time Magazine, Macgregor, a decorated veteran of the Gulf War, argued that the Corps was living on its past glories and was unsuited for combat on today’s battlefield, with the possible exception for pushover enemies....He went further, too, suggesting the acronym “USMC” should really stand for “Under-utilized Superfluous Military Capability.”

It goes on with a similar tone and gratuitous insults. That is not the tone taken by someone who professes to be commenting seriously on the military. It's the tone of a gadfly who is just looking to make a name for himself within the media by saying things that will entertain civilian viewers/readers.

I said no reason to take such people seriously.

60 posted on 03/03/2022 8:00:09 AM PST by Bruce Campbells Chin ( .)
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