"They should never let him get away with that, they was just asking for trouble."
Posted on 02/16/2022 5:42:45 PM PST by whyilovetexas111
“Appeasement,” “Munich,” and the years of 1938-9 retain immense rhetorical power when invoked by political and media actors in the English-speaking world. In the media landscape, foreign policy pundits often insinuate that to negotiate with rivals is to risk repeating the mistakes of Neville Chamberlain, the pre-World War II British Prime Minister who is said to have “given away” a part of Czechoslovakia in exchange for “peace in our time.” Subsequent events cast the phrase into infamy.
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Military Industrial Complex. The borg must eat.
the US deep state lizards aren't unwittingly getting us dragged into a war in Eastern Europe - rather, they've lit a fire in a theater, and have locked the doors.
I can see where this guy is going with this, but the right and proper historical lesson to be learned is that standing up to a local bully tin dictator will prevent tons of bloodshed. That is what we shoulda done with Sudetenland, and what we should do with Ukraine.
The missing analogy that this guy coulda used is that a cat that jumps up on a hot stove will never jump on any other stove ever again. The cat needs to be able to investigate stoves for what might be hot, what might be yummy, what might be a cold stove after all.
But the analogy still wouldn’t hold because what happened in the 1930s was that we DIDN’T jump up on the hot stove, we just presumed it would be too hot. And we’re too afraid to jump on a stove that appears to be less hot than the 1930s stove.
Never mind the Sudetenland; we ignored communist aggression throughout the 1920s (Poland, Italy, Germany) and the 1930s (Spain, Finland), and that gave rise to the desperation of the right - we clearly weren’t going to help. When we did intervene, it was in support of Stalin and left the USSR ruling half of Europe for nearly half a century.
Oh, and while our young men were dying in the war against Japan, Stalin observed a truce with them until the final months of the war in 1945.
Oh, and while our young men were dying in the war against Japan, Stalin observed a truce with them until the final months of the war in 1945.
***Stalin STARTED world war 2 alongside Hitler when they split up Poland in 1939 as allies.
I sometimes wonder why we didn’t just invade from Alaska. Knock out Russia and Japan and run all the way out to Germany.
Yes, when people throw WWII terms around to attempt to galvanize public support for another foreign misadventure, they are living in the past - the country that was blissfully ignorant of many of the inconvenient truths of WWII is gone, and after Vietnam very few people believe the government enough to risk our young men.
Britain and France went to war to defend Poland, and after Britain in particular spent so much blood and treasure (eventually losing most of the empire), Stalin ended up keeping the Poland they sought to protect.
There are still a lot of eastern Europeans in my area in NJ, and they don’t view WWII as any kind of crusade. Many fled the fruits of “victory”, and tend to be much more cynical of government lies than the average American...
We had our hands full just keeping Japan from taking over the Aleutian Islands. (Not to mention Dutch Harbor, AK).
We coulda invaded Russia 2 years before Japan ever attacked us.
The US watched Japan build runways on Pacific Islands in the 1930s. China is building Pacific runways, too, but at least Japan owned the land the runways were being built upon.
As a peace-loving people, we do a lot of watching...
:-/
Yep.
I read a book last summer about the fighting in Alaska.
The Japanese had an anti aircraft unit defending.
They attacked the Americans and got all the way to the cooks and aid station.
Ugly fight in a harsh place.
This veteran agrees with that concept.
Si vis pacem, para bellum...
Hearing nothing from middle class Cambodians circa 1978.
Strengthening and reconstituting the USSR is not in our interest—and not in the interest of Poland, Finland, Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia, either.
Sorry..
Still not worth planting one of my son’s over
Oh, I understand that. Just multiply your expression by about a hundred million other people who lost their sons.
That’s what happened when we didn’t stand up to the bully Hitler over Sudetenland. It wasn’t worth risking a few hundred sons. So in the end it cost the world perhaps a hundred million sons & daughters because we ended up in WW2.
So yeah, I get the sentiment.
The point is to NOT get dragged into war, right?
The article is chock full of nonsense. If we had stopped Hitler in Sudetenland, WW2 would have been averted.
Right now we can stop any war over Ukraine by doing what Chamberlain — who appears to be the hero in this ridiculous article — did, by waving around a piece of paper and proclaiming victory. That piece of paper would be the inclusion of Ukraine into NATO. Hence, if Putin invades Ukraine, he’s invading NATO. He’s too smart to do that.
From Ukrainian inclusion into NATO, we could negotiate from a position of strength, not weakness. And take our time. No need to have troops of any kind, whether NATO or Putinistic, in Ukraine while we negotiate a strong willed neutrality and withdrawal of Putinhorn’s occupation forces from Crimea.
I realized a long time ago, you can’t argue with as democommie...
Same goes for neocon republiCANT’S...
I aint neocon, I’m paleocon. AmericaFIrst constitutionalist.
It is in America’s interest to avoid war in Ukraine, push back on a bully earlier rather than later when tens of millions of lives are at stake, gain a new ally, deal with this situation from a position of strength.
Since you appeasement types are so fond of signing a piece of paper and waiving it around saying “peace in our time”, why not a piece of paper saying Ukraine is in NATO?
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