Posted on 02/05/2022 11:24:02 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum
I don’t trust any of the so-called authorities and I don’t doubt that the vaccines are problematic.
However, I distinctly remember that long before there were any vaccines, the death rate from “other causes” skyrocketed once covid started spreading.
News flash - covid is still spreading.
So there is certainly empirical evidence that covid triggers other problems - heart attacks, diabetes, cancers. Perhaps the vaccines do so as well. To indulge the conspiracy theorists - perhaps that is part of the plan.
But it is also certain that there is plenty of confirmation bias going around on both sides of the argument.
Would you be kind enough, since you "don't trust any of the so-called authorities," to tell more about your "empirical evidence that triggers other problems - heart attacks, diabetes, cancers?"
I am interested in reading/researching further.
Wow, thanks for the research! It is interesting to run this stuff to ground.
So the climate change folks want people to get the shot.
I think I’ll go ahead and pass.
Oh, they did huh? The DoD said the database was all cattywhompus?
Well, I guess everything’s fine then.
Nothing to see here.
In the last two plus years, we've been in Europe and driven across the US from coast to coast. The mRNA marketing across these two years has been astounding, from fear headlines to appeals to authority, to muscular censorship of competing views, to gaslight-games pretending a mandate is coming soon which then does not come, to actual mandates but only in some areas, with some European nations and areas in the US backing away from masks and mandates while others are doubling down. Most of Scandinavia is backing away while Austria is making injections for all adults the law. Politicization of view points has seemed overwhelming.
What we concluded and still conclude -- and what has NOT been disproven -- is that the mRNA phase three, clinical trials of still officially experimental pharmaceuticals is underway, with FOIAs for information being fought in court, while legal shielding of the companies continues via the continuing EUAs.
The FDA approval of the branded versions seems bogus, given that Covid-19 shots from Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna are easily found, while Comirnaty and SpikeVax seem to be being held off the market until the other "legally shielded from product liability" injections are use up. The FDA assertion that these are "interchangeable" and yet "legally different" is an obfuscation. Oddly these same EUAs-protected injections continue to be shipped, while the branded shots are not being delivered within the US. Much seems a large experiment, political and marketing.
The societal lockdowns have been devastating to the "little guy" while an small group have reaped massive rewards. Skepticism was in order. Skepticism remains in order. So do my wife and I agree.
And the "official data" comes to this:
( 5,736,177 "JHU official" global deaths / 7,924,043,134 global population ) x 100 = 0.0723 % Covid mortality rate worldwide across two full years.
Here's wishing you well, whatever choices you make in a world which -- in some places -- remains free.
Boy, all that is the truth.
Wife and I were just speculating on how likely it would be for there to be a large-scale war to close out the discussion and cover up the aftermath. I don’t think its all that far fetched.
I can see it now, we’re talking about the incredible number of deaths, and Duke would be giving us stats on the war casualties and saying there’s nothing to worry about concerning the annual shot.
The marketing you describe is astonishing. My wife showed me a vid compilation of what is on TV these days (we don’t watch TV). They had guys dressed up as needles dancing on late night shows, Ariana Grande vax dance videos, and tons of other PSAs. It was creepy, and dystopian. I can’t believe more people aren’t alarmed.
Worldtraveler once upon a time wrote: “Most pick the expert who says the things they agree with.”
Especially true of the anti-vaxxers scouring the web for anti-vaxxer propaganda to post here.
BTW, this is what the attorney for the testifying military doctors had to say about their ridiculous claim.
Renz responded:
“The DoD has claimed that the DMED data from the years 2016-2020 was incorrect. This is absurd. We spend millions of dollars per year on DMED and people monitoring DMED which is one of the premier epidemiological databases in the world. Accuracy in this database is critical as it is used to monitor for health issues in our troops.
“The DoD would have us believe that the DMED database was wrong from 2016-2020 but then magically was corrected in 2021 despite the fact that they had not noticed it was wrong until we pointed it out in our testimony before Senator Johnson. Further, we are asked to believe that in 2020, the year of what they claim to be the greatest pandemic since 1918, and despite the fact that it is documented that the CDC was also watching this database, no one noticed an error of 20 million-plus injury/disease codes per year,” Renz told The Epoch Times.
“The Department of Defense, the Biden administration is on notice they must preserve these records and this must be investigated,” Johnson said in the five-hour hearing in Washington.
Especially true of the anti-vaxxers scouring the web for anti-vaxxer propaganda to post here.
Given that sentence has been YOUR tagline for quite some time, to post it in this thread as "Worldtraveler once upon a time wrote" is hilarious. Your words, mate.
And again, you use "propaganda" for any view not approved by you, so this no debate and no discussion. This is DugwayDuke making assertions. The above was one, and laughably manipulative.
When I quote you, you portray me as having made the statement when it has been yours along.Your back-and-forth is worthy of the BBC's Cathy Newman and her "so what you're saying is...." and then misquoting or mis-attributing.
Do you not recall the vast number of “surplus” heart attacks that occurred in the early days of the outbreak in NYC? Not just more heart attacks, but a higher proportion of fatalities as well. Widely reported by EMTs, nurses, doctors, scanner junkies. And there were plenty of other events - people magically getting diabetes, having strokes or suddenly dying of cancers they didn’t have a couple of weeks earlier.
Of course, the flubros never came up with an explanation, they just claimed it was disinformation to get us all to lock down.
And then there was the “dying with covid is not dying from covid” kerfuffle. While semantically true, if covid triggers your diabetes ten years early and that kills you, or covid accelerates your cancer, turning it from “benign” to “malignant” (by turning off the genes that allow your body to police it), then I do not see the distinction.
A vaccine that supposedly teaches your body to fight a disease can easily emulate that disease in ways the designers (maybe) did not anticipate, so deliberate or not, it is possible the vaccines are doing the same crap that covid does, but it is clear that covid causes effects other than respiratory distress.
So take the vaccine or don’t. I think it could go either way.
With respect, I do not recall "the vast number." I would welcome you citing some sources to that effect.
You write, "...it is clear that covid causes effects other than respiratory distress."
The following link is to the April 2020 WHO "INTERNATIONAL GUIDELINES FOR CERTIFICATION AND CLASSIFICATION (CODING) OF COVID-19 AS CAUSE OF DEATH."
https://www.who.int/classifications/icd/Guidelines_Cause_of_Death_COVID-19.pdf?ua=1
After reading this document in April of that year, and in thinking about the ensuing two years or so, it is clear that there has been an "international" taxonomy of highlighting Covid-19 above other causes of death, replacing other causes with the new primary taxonomy.
It would be appreciated if you would document with a source or sources the "vast number" of surplus heart attacks at the beginning of the declared pandemic, of which you write. Thanks in advance.
Worldtraveler once upon a time wrote:...
The point remains that those posting anti-vaxxer propaganda, and that is what it is, are spending their time looking for the expert who says the things they agree with.
Your markers -- "anti-vaxxers", "propaganda" and "Most pick the expert who says the things they agree with."
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Is it me, or does it seem like the anti-vaxxers are constantly posting misinformation?
13 posted on 2/5/2022, 3:12:08 PM by DugwayDuke (Most pick the expert who says the things they agree with.)
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"The consensus of the anti-vaxxers posting here is that any source, any data, that does not support the anti-vaxxer propaganda narrative must be false. That's a variant of the ad hominin argument. Attacking the source, not the argument."
51 posted on 2/5/2022, 6:36:14 PM by DugwayDuke (Most pick the expert who says the things they agree with.)
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Worldtraveler once upon a time wrote: “(Most pick the expert who says the things they agree with.”
Especially true of the anti-vaxxers scouring the web for anti-vaxxer propaganda to post here.
67 posted on 2/6/2022, 10:52:52 AM by DugwayDuke (Most pick the expert who says the things they agree with.)
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"Worldtraveler once upon a time wrote:...
The point remains that those posting anti-vaxxer propaganda, and that is what it is, are spending their time looking for the expert who says the things they agree with."
72 posted on 2/6/2022, 1:56:10 PM by DugwayDuke (Most pick the expert who says the things they agree with.)
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I agree with you. Most -- and demonstrably even and especiallty you -- are spending their time looking for the expert who says the things they agree with.
Worldtraveler once upon a time wrote: “I agree with you. Most — and demonstrably even and especiallty you — are spending their time looking for the expert who says the things they agree with.”
The difference is this: I recognize the truth of “Most pick the expert who says the things they agree with.” especially when it applies to me.
With respect, I’m not gonna play gotcha with ancient history. Do your own research - it isn’t my fault or problem that you weren’t paying attention or didn’t want to believe it.
I see by your inception date that you weren’t here two years(ish) ago when this all started, but you can research the posts from back then. It was all thoroughly documented - and, honestly, disparaged by the flubros who were in massive denial, as I described earlier. We never did regard the WHO as a legitimate, reliable source, so you cannot use them as some sort of straw man. Nor any Panda-controlled organization.
Different countries and different states all had their own standards for classifying deaths, but regardless of their intentions, they were a lot less successful hiding the excess deaths no matter how they classified them.
So I reiterate, there is no distinction between “death from covid” and “death with covid” if it was covid that triggered the event, and there is no alternative explanation for the excess deaths that occurred prior to the vaccines. Or do you have one that does not involve straw man arguments?
The logic is simple - either there were excess deaths, or there were not. The excess deaths were pretty thoroughly documented right here on this site, so either accept that there were excess deaths or debunk the documentation that asserts there were such. If you cannot debunk, then explain how they were not covid related. You can blame the vaccines for the excess deaths that occurred AFTER said vaccines were created if you wish, but my claim is in regard to the excess deaths that occurred prior to those vaccines.
It is clear that is your claim.
“That’s a variant of the ad hominin argument. Attacking the source, not the argument.”
It’s an example of “the Genetic Fallacy”, a subset of the ad hominem argument.
Well most vaccine supporters seem to accept the “science” from this administration and the globalist fact-checkers, and here you are...
However, I find it ironic that you criticize an anti-vax publication as source for information (The Expose) in a recent post on another thread a couple days ago, and yet I do it regarding a globalist left-leaning source, and here you are claiming “genetic fallacies.”
Know what, who I listen to/what I read matters to me. I don’t listen to/read FB censors/fact-checkers or the ones DugwayDuke does...nor do I watch CNN or MSNBC for their medical “experts.” Those corporations live for the Administration’s approval and more importantly are funded by PFE, so of course, they will not color outside the lines.
Sorry—not sorry. I don’t think Drs. Cole, Malone, McCullough, Kory et. al. deserve the smears these fact checkers engage in from biased, agenda-driven leftist publications especially since the fact checkers don’t have as much credentialing as the above-named doctors.
IMHO, Sleep with flea-bit dogs, and you get fleas. Call that a “genetic fallacy” or whatever you wish, but the fact-checkers are flea-bitten* and anyone sourcing them has fleas.
Speaking of flea-bitten, I do not approve of the administration’s health policies being directed by Fauci...I think what Fauci funded regarding those poor Beagles in his quest for research was nothing but evil. Won’t even get into the Chinese lab funding.
Sad so much of the country is simply going along to get along. As a seemingly ardent supporter of vaccines, do you support the Biden team on the vaccines? Mandates are now in place in many companies, municipalities, healthcare facilities, military. Support that? How about databases and passports?
Oh and the gov’t is establishing a 55-agency database containing religious exemption filers’ information on their statements, their religion, and Army wants to connect it to biometric data too...
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/4035987/posts
The virus enabled the vaccines which enabled the mandates and database. This is a plandemic. Maybe we would not be where we are if people did not “trust the science” from a group of people who lie for a living.
BTTT
If I had to get the clot shot for financial reasons, I know what I would do. I would treat it as if I had a bad case of Covid.xyz
-— Get my D3 levels checked weekly
-— 4 weeks before the injection I would start taking 20000 iu D3 daily with K2 and magnesium
-— The goal is to get your D3 up to 90 ng/ml to give your immune system a super-boost.
-— I would start taking zinc daily. No need to overdo the zinc.
-— Quercetin daily
-— I would start on Ivermectin 2 weeks before the shot
-— Get exercise. Walk a lot or go to the gym. Get in shape!
-— After the shot do the same for 3-4 weeks
—— I would also research what else I can do or take. N-acetyl cysteine for example. Glutathione too.
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