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Student debt forgiveness should be funded by fraudulent colleges that sold worthless degrees, instead of by innocent taxpayers
wordpress ^ | January 17, 2022 | Daniel Alman (aka Dan from Squirrel Hill)

Posted on 01/17/2022 12:43:02 PM PST by grundle

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Let the schools handle the loans, the government shouldn’t be involved.


41 posted on 01/17/2022 1:52:30 PM PST by escapefromboston (Free Chauvin)
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To: 9YearLurker
I don't think you're in touch

I resemble that remark! Kid #6 going in September.

42 posted on 01/17/2022 1:57:34 PM PST by Jim Noble (The nation cannot be saved until the GOP is destroyed)
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To: 9YearLurker
What’s special about student debt?

It's not dischargeable in bankruptcy.

43 posted on 01/17/2022 1:58:35 PM PST by Jim Noble (The nation cannot be saved until the GOP is destroyed)
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To: Alberta's Child
Everyone posting on this thread should keep in mind that government-backed student loans are not intended to help the students. They are designed to subsidize the schools.

+1

44 posted on 01/17/2022 1:59:35 PM PST by Jim Noble (The nation cannot be saved until the GOP is destroyed)
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To: grundle
Someone who can't afford to pay CASH for college should absolutely not be borrowing money for a degree in art, history, gender or race studies, or any other degree that does not confer highly marketable knowledge or skill.

Universities are litterally building and marketing programs for students who otherwise would not be able to get into college due to poor academic performance, low test scores and low intellect. These schools know the students can't pass more rigorous programs, so they push them into worthless degrees for lots of government guaranteed cash.

Take away the federal guarantees and these dumbed down programs will disappear (and the schools will scream).

45 posted on 01/17/2022 2:09:31 PM PST by ETCM
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To: grundle; All

Sometimes I think the solution is ok - forgive the debt! Then shut down the program. Someone says that’s unfair to me or my children, send them a list of the debtors and say “ here’s the reason go get your money from them! They ruined it for everyone!’.

Maybe shut it down for 5 to 10 years revive it only for STEM.


46 posted on 01/17/2022 2:18:04 PM PST by Reily
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To: Jim Noble

Those were the terms—or it would have been an even worse bet for the taxpayer funders. But with all thoae kids presumably in doubt I understand now where you’re coming from on this.


47 posted on 01/17/2022 2:18:49 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: grundle

Great idea! Before pushing “free” college for sure. Colleges held liable for finding a graduate a job within a year, or all student debt goes to the college. Something like that.


48 posted on 01/17/2022 2:22:34 PM PST by vpintheak (Live free, or die!)
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To: grundle

The answer is simple. Let the debt be dischargeable in either chapter 7 or 13 bankruptcy. The borrower gets dinged, and lender(s) will be more selective in lending. In the end it’ll cut the flow of funds to colleges which can only be a good thing.

Then we can talk about taxing endowments.


49 posted on 01/17/2022 2:24:18 PM PST by moehoward (.)
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To: moehoward

Probably the best approach !


50 posted on 01/17/2022 2:28:11 PM PST by Reily
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To: ETCM

Exactly

and a bunch of woke program monitors would be doing what they are skilled at: do you want fries with that or in the modern age: this is how you operate the kiosk.


51 posted on 01/17/2022 2:38:31 PM PST by Mouton (The enemy of the people is the media )
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To: grundle
It is my understanding that college costs are enormously more than they used to be, related to average income. We tell kids to go to college, but realistically most truly cannot afford it.

No 18yo understands what it will be like to be an adult and pay back the debt. They just don't have a frame of reference.

Most 18yos have no real idea what direction their lives are going to take and/or what kind of education will help. So we tell them to go into debt and get a degree that may or may not serve them well.

52 posted on 01/17/2022 2:50:33 PM PST by viewfromthefrontier
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To: Dilbert San Diego

How about no loan without “insurance”, which takes into account the amount loaned, field of study, high school GPA, high school quality, and so on, the recipient of the loan buys it yearly on the open market. No insurance = no money. Drastic, but that would fix an enormous number of problems all at once going back to grade schools.

PS: schools would be welcome to pick up the insurance tab.


53 posted on 01/17/2022 2:58:55 PM PST by The Antiyuppie (When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.)
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To: grundle

Why not actual colleges that still pushed worthless degrees.


54 posted on 01/17/2022 3:15:20 PM PST by pas
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To: Dr. Franklin

The current college scam started with the 1971 Supreme court case

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griggs_v._Duke_Power_Co.

Which decreed that any testing which had a lower passing rate for blacks than whites was illegal discrimination under the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

Before that, companies could test applicants for literacy and IQ, and decide accordingly. After that, companies made college degrees a requirement for any job that assumed an IQ above room temperature.

Eliminate that one key thing, allow companies to test without risking lawsuits, and they will go back to testing applicants out of high school and hire accordingly.

If the employee is a good worker, the company can do tuition reimbursement for relevant advanced training.


55 posted on 01/17/2022 3:40:54 PM PST by SauronOfMordor (A Leftist can't enjoy life unless they are controlling, hurting, or destroying others)
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To: 9YearLurker
we need to get college back to a pay-as-you-go plan except for the gifted students who earn scholarships.

So few blacks would get gifted scholarships that the Left would scream. But I would not care.

56 posted on 01/17/2022 3:43:36 PM PST by SauronOfMordor (A Leftist can't enjoy life unless they are controlling, hurting, or destroying others)
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To: 9YearLurker
Why ever should it take massive giveaways to the irresponsible as a “trade off” to get the federal government out of something they should never have been involved with at all?

You missed the point. The horse is already out of the barn. The money has already been wasted. How much more money do you want to waste trying to recover it, and at what cost to the general economy since these people aren't buying homes or other large ticket items?

Like it or not, the feds are involved with lending money for higher education. Do you want to stop, or just bitch about it? The political deal is to cancel student loan debt in the appropriate cases, in exchange for killing the beast. Really, if the Dept. of Ed. is unconstitutional, aren't the loans as well? Think about that...Do you want to put a stake in the heart of this vampire? It's responsible for this mess, so let's end it.
57 posted on 01/17/2022 4:04:54 PM PST by Dr. Franklin ("A republic, if you can keep it." )
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To: 9YearLurker

Wrong again.

Zero loans*, zero debts.

*= kiddo #3 was given a $5000 “merit award” which turned out to be a Stafford loan. Never applied, never signed papers. Took six months to get it off the books.

When your kid goes to college, on the first day, they “register” and run a gauntlet of sign-up tables: College Republicans, LGBTQ+, Rosa Luxemburg fan club, Harry Potter reader society, etc.

Some of these tables are signing up for loans. Believe me when I tell you - this is like those credit card applications you get in the mail - “You’re prequalified”, etc. A lot of them carry the title of “scholarships”.

I have never fallen into this trap - but the vision that people here have of kids signing up for loans sounds like you all think it’s like getting a mortgage with 96 pages of disclosures and a two hour close.

It’s not like that at all.

This is a racket that’s run for the benefit of colleges and especially the high-salaried, non-didactic administrative bureaucracy.


58 posted on 01/17/2022 4:19:45 PM PST by Jim Noble (The nation cannot be saved until the GOP is destroyed)
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To: Jim Noble
Not necessarily. Large corporations have the hiring process nearly entirely owned by mind numbingly brain dead HR professionals who are box checkers. Even for most entry level jobs, one of the boxes is a four year degree. Regardless of your experience, if they can’t check the box, it is an easy way to weed you out.

You may be able to WOW the ultimate decision maker but ya gotta get past the box checker to even get that interview.

59 posted on 01/18/2022 8:25:42 AM PST by riri (Hope is not a strategy at this point- Sam Andrews)
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To: grundle

University should be paid for by the state.

But that means
1. Cutting out the studies that don’t benefit the state. So no transgender studies
2. Cutting out colleges that aren’t in the top 10.
3. Cutting down the number of students who go to college. Probably 10% of the number today

So far fewer places in far fewer colleges in far fewer fields.


60 posted on 01/18/2022 8:54:33 AM PST by Cronos ( One cannot desire freedom from the Cross, especially when one is especially chosen for the cross)
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