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To: SomeCallMeTim
—You write, “The data is VERY CLEAR: For MOST Americans, these vaccines tremendously improve your chances of surviving Covid.”

Given that these mRNA preparations have been administered for a relatively short period of time, the assertion you make remains an assertion, heightened by the adverb of choice — “tremendously.” But any assertion can be made, and you do not cite sources for that “very clear” data. Given that these responses to data collated and displayed showing deaths far above the “normal” deaths associated with vaccines historically, your obligation is not to assert, but to cite data.

—You write, “Fortunately, for MOST Americans, your chances of surviving Covid without vaccines is also VERY high. But, for many other, like people over 50, people who are obese, or people have other serious medical issues, these vaccines are potential LIFE SAVERS for you.”

Global deaths as a percentage of population through 23 months — ( 5,105,270 / 7,906,949,863 ) x 100 = 0.0645 % (JHU Coronavirus Resource Center)

The data is very clear, as I read it. To me it says the deaths as a function of population worldwide is small, compared to the hysteria and governmental mandates and quasi-martial law we are seeing. If the number of deaths related to the administration of a “vaccine” now numbers in the tens of thousands in Europe, and perhaps similar numbers in the US,, then one can as easily write that the mRNA technology — experimental according to the FDA — kills in the tens of thousands. Prior to 2019, no vaccine with such lethality was continued, much less lauded. And prior to this “pandemic” whole nations were not locked down as “medically” recommended.

40 posted on 11/20/2021 12:57:17 PM PST by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Basic math is simple. Real science open to proof and validation. Fear porn theater is a fine phrase/)
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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time
your obligation is not to assert, but to cite data.

That's a valid challenge. But, one I reject. Never in the history of man, has there been MORE data available about one disease. There is so much, it's practically overload.

I could spend the rest of this year posting data that proves my assertions. Or, at the very least, show very strong correlations. The data is PLENTY available for anyone who wants to spend the time looking for it.

I'm not a 'crusader'. I have a life, and a very full one at that. I'm here to offer my 'insights'. People can take or leave them as they like.

I suspect that you and I share many of the same beliefs regarding COVID, and the gross global over-reaction. I think it's all been very over-blown, initially for political reasons, and now because.. well, we've set a standard. Now, we can't back off it. I think most of what has been done is criminal. Especially, for the harm it has caused our children.

But, that doesn't change my opinion on the relative effectiveness of these "shots".. I don't really even like calling them 'vaccines'. They lower the chances for serious illness and death. If you look, you can find all the data you want that proves this.

I think much of our death data has been over-stated, but... I can't ignore this:

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

We've had a LOT of excess deaths in the US in the past 2 years. This isn't "Nothing". It's a disease that kills a lot of people who are health-compromised.

I'm not one who thinks we have to vaccinate 100% of the population. But, I do think, for MANY people, the shots improve their chances.

Of course, as you say... these mRNA shots are NEW technology. NO ONE really knows what the long-term affects might be. That's one of the main reasons I oppose mandates. My comments are strictly limited to the data we have available, NOW, about the relative benefits that have been shown.. globally.. over and over.

That is: After the shots roll out, death rates go WAY down.

45 posted on 11/20/2021 1:26:17 PM PST by SomeCallMeTim ( The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them!it)
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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time

Off now, to play CATAN with my kids and friends. :-)

Not running away.. there will be more to follow, I’m sure.

Ransomware won’t go away this easily. He’s either a true believer or a paid poster.


48 posted on 11/20/2021 1:31:51 PM PST by SomeCallMeTim ( The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them!it)
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