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Pelosi Caves to the Moderates and Now May Fall to the Progressives as Well: Uncouples the bipartisan infrastructure bill (BIF) from the Build Back Better (BBB) bill angering the Progressive wing
Red State ^ | 11/05/2021 | Nick Arama

Posted on 11/05/2021 7:59:48 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

We wrote earlier about the challenge that Democratic House moderates were throwing down in front of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) — that they weren’t going to pass the Build Back Better bill (BBB) until they had a chance to be able to read the final text of the massive bill — massive in text with over 2,000 pages and massive in the amount of money. The moderates want a CBO score before they will vote on it. They want to know the real cost — not what just what Joe Biden claims it would cost.

So Pelosi bowed to the moderates and uncoupled the bipartisan infrastructure bill (BIF) from the BBB bill — something she had avoided doing so as not to anger the progressives — saying they would deal with the BBB later, but that they would hold a procedural rule vote as to BBB with the BIF vote.

But that lost the progressives again. She could only afford to lose 10 votes for the infrastructure bill which she could pick up with Republican votes. But now, she’s reportedly lost 20 votes.

Progressive source tells me they have roughly 20 members who will vote down BIF –

Pelosi may put this on the floor to put CPC backs against the wall, betting they won’t tank Biden’s agenda – especially if more than expected 10-15 R’e vote FOR it, since bills are now unlinked

— Jacqui Heinrich (@JacquiHeinrich) November 5, 2021

The progressives believe if they lose that coupling of the BBB with the BIF that they will not get the BBB.

It’s unclear if they have the votes for the infrastructure vote now. But Pelosi is reportedly planning on going ahead with that vote and hoping that she’s cowed some of the progressives into it, that they’re bluffing and don’t want to be seen as voting “no” on the infrastructure bill.

There’s no doubt the Democratic civil war is still very much in play.

But leadership is claiming they anticipate voting on BBB sometime before Thanksgiving.

“I’m absolutely convinced, beyond a doubt, that before Thanksgiving, the week of the 15th, we will pass the Build Back Better legislation,” Hoyer said.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Democratic leaders “had hoped to be able bring both bills to the floor today,” but opted to “honor requests” from some lawmakers for more clarity on the legislation’s financial implications.

This is the fourth time Pelosi has tried to do this. It’s not clear that she has enough to get this BIF bill through and if it does go through, then it probably is far less likely that the BBB will go through. In the words of Sen. Joe Manchin (D-WV), while he sees a need for infrastructure, he doesn’t see the same rush need for the BBB.

So hold on to your hats, will Pelosi have to do this a fifth time?



TOPICS: Government; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: democrats; moderates; pelosi; progressives
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1 posted on 11/05/2021 7:59:48 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Both bills suck.

Screw bipartisanship.


2 posted on 11/05/2021 8:02:54 PM PDT by Fledermaus (I'll wear a mask when Dr. Fraudchi shuts the hell up.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Haha! Let them burn!


3 posted on 11/05/2021 8:07:07 PM PDT by Nathan _in_Arkansas (Hoist the black flag and begin slitting throats. )
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To: SeekAndFind

Doing a bang up job there Nancy.


4 posted on 11/05/2021 8:07:42 PM PDT by lurk ( )
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To: SeekAndFind

Keep counting until you win. Democrats motto.


5 posted on 11/05/2021 8:08:10 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: SeekAndFind

Hoping she dies trying...


6 posted on 11/05/2021 8:10:09 PM PDT by wetgundog
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To: SeekAndFind
Pelosi Caves to the Moderates and Now May Fall to the Progressives as Well: Uncouples the bipartisan infrastructure bill (BIF) from the Build Back Better (BBB) bill angering the Progressive wing

BIF is also extremist.

Anybody who supports it isn't moderate, and is for extreme big government.

7 posted on 11/05/2021 8:12:09 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Fledermaus

Bipartisanship is always a one way street, Assistant Democrats doing what Democrats want.

These are the Assistant Democrats that made all of this possible

Dan Sullivan (R-AK) Shelley Moore Capito (R-WV) Mike Crapo (R-ID) Roy Blunt (R-MO) Richard Burr (R-NC) Deb Fischer (R-NE) Lindsey Graham (R-SC) Rob Portman (R-OH) Thom Tillis (R-NC) Lisa Murkowski (R-AK) Jim Risch (R-ID) Chuck Grassley (R-IA) Bill Cassidy (R-LA) Kevin Cramer (R-ND) Roger Wicker (R-MS) Mitch McConnell (R-KY) John Hoeven (R-ND) Susan Collins (R-ME) Mitt Romney (R-UT)


8 posted on 11/05/2021 8:12:13 PM PDT by Lurkinanloomin ( (Natural born citizens are born here of citizen parents)(Know Islam, No Peace-No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: SeekAndFind
“She could only afford to lose 10 votes for the infrastructure bill which she could pick up with Republican votes...”

Even RINOs can see what happened Tuesday - which ones would vote for this now?

9 posted on 11/05/2021 8:12:14 PM PDT by decal (MOLON JABE)
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To: SeekAndFind

I just emailed my CongressCritter again. Unfortunately he’s a Dem in a blue area. But I asked him to vote against the BBB and the other one—and also asked him to advocate mask optional (instead of mask mandate) for K-12 and college students in CA.

Can’t hurt to ask.


10 posted on 11/05/2021 8:17:10 PM PDT by olivia3boys
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To: Fledermaus

I pulled this quote from a rag editorial I came across on a search.....

“Maybe it will take a woman to clean up the House, and a new speaker to restore civility,” Pelosi said.

Her words about 15 years ago.


11 posted on 11/05/2021 8:18:35 PM PDT by patriot torch
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To: lurk
Doing a bang up job there Nancy.

She's a "master legislator."

12 posted on 11/05/2021 8:18:38 PM PDT by Steely Tom ([Voter Fraud] == [Civil War])
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To: patriot torch

Perhaps someone could institute a Regular Order budget process.


13 posted on 11/05/2021 8:23:11 PM PDT by Paladin2 (Critical Marx Theory is The SOLUTION....)
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To: SeekAndFind

The GOP MUST be whipped to block this in its entirety.

We can ill afford the costs of either bill and the GOP now has leverage to get concessions from Pelosi to get a REAL working bill.

But no, Liz Cheney will happily sell out her party and country to facilitate the deep state.


14 posted on 11/05/2021 8:27:24 PM PDT by Skywise
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To: Skywise

Looks like infrastructure will pass but delay vote until later on Brandon’s bbb


15 posted on 11/05/2021 8:29:09 PM PDT by arkfreepdom
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To: decal

More than a dozen Bush League Republicans came through to assist the Democrats AGAIN..


16 posted on 11/05/2021 8:31:00 PM PDT by Lurkinanloomin ( (Natural born citizens are born here of citizen parents)(Know Islam, No Peace-No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: Skywise

Vote was held. Bill passed.


17 posted on 11/05/2021 8:31:35 PM PDT by milagro (There is no peace in appeasement! There)
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To: SeekAndFind

18 posted on 11/05/2021 8:34:42 PM PDT by know.your.why (If you dont watch the MSM you are uninformed. If you do watch the MSM you are misinformed.)
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To: milagro

I can’t post what I am thinking :/


19 posted on 11/05/2021 8:35:10 PM PDT by Freedom56v2 (It's not the job of the unvaxxed to protect the vaxxed. That's the job of the "vaccine.")
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To: Freedom56v2

Seriously?!?!

A bill costing the US taxpayers several TRILLION DOLLARS was passed late on a Friday night and no one cares? Even on Free Republic???

I hope Senate will stop it...but Sheesh no concern?

Sad :(


20 posted on 11/05/2021 9:10:57 PM PDT by Freedom56v2 (It's not the job of the unvaxxed to protect the vaxxed. That's the job of the "vaccine.")
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