Posted on 10/21/2021 10:22:37 AM PDT by Red Badger
Yup—the school nurses are going to be on the front lines on this one.
They have no clue what a ^%$#storm is headed their way—especially if this gets as bad as many of us think it might...
It’s looking as if you are old and/or compromised, the vaccine is locked out. Seems whatever you do have shields you from any positive effects of the vaccine.
When they report counts of breakthrough “cases” and breakthrough hospitalizations and deaths, I sure wish they would break those counts down between the three vaccines. Now THAT would be helpful. But they don’t even though they easily could.
Something is being protected, IMHO.
I thought about that, too.
Maybe it’s ‘designed’ that way..................
Why don’t you both be a little more specific with your issue with this study (it is a study, not an article).
Do you have an issue with the methodology (Cox proportional hazards models)?
The timeline (Feb-August)?
The number of subjects (619,755)?
If you believe their analysis is flawed, provide an explanation as to why other than “it is terrible”
Or do you just not like the results?
He’s crazy. Quite mad.
Off his top. Lost his buttons.
It’s the very next sentence in the article after the sentence you quoted:
“It is now recognized that their effectiveness quickly diminishes over time. Generally speaking, after about six months they become ineffective. It was found in this study that breakthrough infection rates 5-6 months post-vaccination are twice as high as 3-4 months post-vaccination....”
Here is the study linked page
https://www.scribd.com/document/531564267/US-DoD-Project-Salus-Humetrix-VE-Study-2021-09-28a
Practically anytime something is described as “breaktrough”, it is something positive. I think somebody in the Orwell Department decided to use the term to describe bad vaccine results so the low information voters thinks it is something good, not something bad. Surely if Trump were still president, the media would be using other terms such as “failure” and counting every death as a “Trump failure”.
“Vaccine breakthrough” ranks right up there with “mostly peaceful protest” in standing the language on its head.
If they listed all the Covid vaxx side effects the “public service announcements” would be ten minutes long!
My niece is in healthcare in the NYC vicinity, and was the first person in the family to be vaccinated - with the Pfizer vaccine -back in January. Recently, before she got the Pfizer booster, she decided to have her antibody level checked. Zero. She had ZERO antibodies. I suspect that this is the situation with many of the “first in line” people who also got the Pfizer, because it was the first vaccine available. So for all practical purposes, I think Colin Powell was unvaccinated, and between his age and other health issues, he died just as so many of the elderly died in the first Covid wave. So these “breakthrough cases” aren’t really breakthrough at all, because they had no protecting from a vaccine.
That is my point. You should not trust the analysis of others over your own eyes and anecdotal life experience.
Simply look at the numbers. They do not lie.
The “vaccine our way out of this program” has failed to end the pandemic. It did help end the original variant, but we are far past that now and it did not end Delta.
I have followed this closely and read the raw data and published studies or articles from non-politicized doctors throughout the world. They are out there and you can read them yourself.
Our health institutions, bureaucracies, and medical system failed us. They chose a “vaccine or bust” approach to variant A. “A” is now gone but the virus is not.
I think all of us (me included) get caught up in the spin from both sides, but IF the vaccine worked as advertised we should have seen clear evidence of it. There is now no data that supports any efficacy against the current more transmissible strain of Covid. In fact, I don’t know of any raw numbers that show any benefit because the vaccines only worked against the original variant. It is obvious.
Lest we forget -
It was lock-down until the vaccine rollout and push and that would end the pandemic according to Fauci. They held news of the vaccine release until AFTER the election on purpose. It did work against the original variant in the short-term. Did they kill people for politics?
There is much more from Fauci.....
Fauci told us if we were vaccinated we had nothing to fear.
Oops.
Then Fauci told us that we might still contract the virus from the unvaccinated but our vaccine would protect us.
Oops x 2 and wrong again.
Then Fauci told us the vaccinated had to mask up. Lest we forget, they always said the masks stop YOU from giving the virus to others.
Oops.
Now Fauci is telling us all we need to get a booster and the truth is that it will target the current variant (Delta) which is now running its course.
What? Given what we do know, the new “booster” might protect us against the Delta variant, but using the same technology and track record do you think it will protect against the next variant? No data supports this at this point.
We now have a tacit admission that the first round of vaccines failed so what is his answer? Double down of course.
No thanks.
There is clear evidence that natural immunity is far stronger against ALL variants of the virus, but they are undeterred. Take the jab they tell them!
Why?
We have cheap drugs and treatments that have been shown by real studies to have better efficacy than the vaccine. This is a simple fact that is now indisputable for me. People can continue to ignore it, but it will not change the truth. However, it could save hundreds of thousands or even millions of lives here and around the world. It could have saved many lives since this began.
The vaccine program FAILED. The therapeutic and prophylaxis program is far more effective according to the data, but nobody makes any money off of it so they not only deny it, they tell bold-faced lies about the drugs on the WHO list of essential medications!
How many more will we kill following the corruptocrats and big pharma?
That is the only question that matters at this point.
The data is there. I too believed only months ago that my vaccine provided me with some protection. It did not. My in-laws (in their 80’s with diabetes) caught the Delta despite being double vaccinated 4 months prior. The health clinic sent them home and told them to come back if they needed supplemental O2. They were given ivermectin and monoclonal anti-bodies and both were substantially better within 24 hours and now they are both fine despite statistically being at the most extreme risks from the virus.
I firmly believe that the best tools against this virus are my doctor who believes as I do in HCQ and IVM, monoclonal anti-bodies, and proper supplements such as zinc and vitamin D.
It is quite possible that my in-laws could have beat it by simple statistics, but we chose to be pro-active against the virus in the early stages before they were trucked off to the failed medical treatment of corporate medicine that would give them remdesivir, a very expensive treatment that has failed now for over a year, with serious side effects, but is still recommended by the CDC. I suppose we will never know.....
Now they want to vaccinate children! What in the hell are they doing?
Vaccinated: Can still get Covid, can spread Covid, can end up in the hospital with Covid and can die of Covid.
Unvaccinated: Can still get Covid, can spread Covid, can end up in the hospital with Covid and can die of Covid.
Explain to me again way I should take an injection of an experimental drug that plays with my genetic makeup and screws up my innate immune system.
You should not.
The evidence is clear.
They lied and millions died.
Now we are further disrupting lives and want to jab children with an ineffective vaccine even as we continue to ignore the therapeutics that work BETTER than the vaccine.
they dont want a control group
they can blame excess deaths on other factors if there is no control group
The great mRNA experiment is over. It cannot keep you from infection, it cannot keep you from transmitting, it cannot keep you out of the hospital, it cannot keep you from dying, and does not last very long.
That is exactly right
BTTT
I object to making up things.
They did zero studies on delta variant.
Not one of their subjects was shown to have delta yet they claim their results suggest something via-a-vis the delta variant.
That’s called making things up.
They also write incoherently. Eg can you explain this sentence from the abstract:
“Patterns of breakthrough infection over time were consistent by age, despite rolling vaccine eligibility, implicating the Delta variant as the primary determinant of infection.”
These are problems. Combined with the fact these are Covid profiteering social science grants and the non-sequitur policy suggestions and the admitted goal of the study being to set policy, I don’t believe anything, per se.
Cox proportional hazard with all their adjustments (age, sex, race, ethnicity, sex [yes, twice], comorbidity [a multi-parameter score]) didn’t take in to account the biggest adjustment of all — prevalence of transmission over time.
This is a plug and chug in to pre-set templates in SAS.
The x axes don’t make sense either. Is it dates or time after vaccination?
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