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THORNER: TIME FOR OPEN, HONEST DIALOGUE ABOUT TREATING CORONAVIRUS - PART 1
Illinois Review ^ | 09/17/2021 | Nancy Thorner

Posted on 09/22/2021 7:43:31 AM PDT by ThereisnotanILGOP

"Yep, you're COVID positive. Go home and stay home until you're negative. Call 911 if you can't breathe."

That's about the extent of what those stricken with COVID over the past 18 months have been told on how to treat the virus symptoms. Little, if any, other help is offered to keep one from ending up in the hospital. It's a dilemma that has baffled anyone observing the pandemic.

But the question is "Why?" And why is the media slapping down any possible treatments that some find that work?

In a report published by Liberty Counsel on Sept. 14, 2021, Ivermectin: Scare Tactics Unfounded, the report begins as follows: "The media is attempting to paint a picture in our minds that ivermectin is a 'horse wormer' and isn’t for human consumption. There are in fact two different forms of ivermectin. One is for livestock and the other is for human beings. As for safety, over four billion doses have been given to human patients since 1998."

“In 2015, the Nobel Committee for Physiology or Medicine, in its only award for treatments of infectious diseases for six decades prior, honored the discovery of ivermectin, a multifaceted drug deployed against some of the world’s most devastating tropical diseases. Since it came on the market, it has been used off-label for other diseases and conditions such as Systemic Lupus and Papulopustular Rosacea. In 2018, a patent was filed to treat certain autoimmune disorders.”

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Nancy Thorner nails it
1 posted on 09/22/2021 7:43:31 AM PDT by ThereisnotanILGOP
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To: ThereisnotanILGOP

Consider the flu. Covid is a viral upper respiratory like the flu is right? We have no actual treatments for flu either. Afaik


2 posted on 09/22/2021 7:54:36 AM PDT by Persevero (I am afraid propriety has been set at naught. - Jane Austen )
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To: ThereisnotanILGOP
And why is the media slapping down any possible treatments that some find that work? In all honesty, no one knows if any treatment really works against it. From the very beginning we've all known the symptoms range from absolutely nothing at all to serious illness and death, and everything in between. So, if you take Ivermectin -- or anything else -- how do you know if the Ivermectin helped, or if you were always going to be one of the mild or asymptomatic cases? I'm all for trying/using therapeutics, BTW, and I'm anti-vax, but the question above has always been in my head. I hate when folks credit the vaccine with their mild case of Covid, or with "keeping them out of the hospital," when there's absolutely no way to know for certain. You can't predict the past.
3 posted on 09/22/2021 7:56:15 AM PDT by AnglePark
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To: ThereisnotanILGOP

The biggest lie and non-discussed item during this entire pandemic is colloidal silver

You can make your own colloidal silver the government cannot control it and it’s basically free

Coyle silver is the most incredible antibacterial and anti-fungal an antiviral agent known to man and they are just starting to figure out why it is so effective and why single celled organisms can never circumvent it

I can post white paper after white paper from researchers all over the planet proving this exact thing but I’m not going to right now

I will state the simple fact that silver is in 20 to 30,000 approved medical products all of which are for external usage for wounds and wound care and things like that

As you see the evil medical Tierney creeping in you see how they try to ban a lot of other very inexpensive improving medicines like hydroxy Clora Quinn ivermectin vitamins and things like that

But just understand that the biggest lie the absolute biggest lie that the medical establishment tells is that the silver ion it taken internally does not kill viruses and bacteria in the body it is a giant lie

It works like a charm I make a glass every morning my wife and children drink it nobody in my family is ever been sick

The rare occasion it does get us is the Noro virus but that’s the only one

Colloidal silver is the answer


4 posted on 09/22/2021 7:58:00 AM PDT by Truthoverpower (Arizona !!!! Now the TRUMP TRAIN is getting back on TRACK ! TRUTH! FREEDOM ! LIBERTY! I could )
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To: ThereisnotanILGOP

Great article. Mark.


5 posted on 09/22/2021 8:01:08 AM PDT by TBall
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To: ThereisnotanILGOP

Release the ivermectin!


6 posted on 09/22/2021 8:10:44 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (Yehovah saved more animals than people on the ark...siameserescue.org)
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To: ThereisnotanILGOP
I live in Panama and when I caught COVID in January, the health clinic sent me home with 8 pills of HCQ, a bottle of liquid zinc, vitamin C and D tablets and acetominophin (which never works for me so I didn't take that - Tylenol). I stayed in my one-bedroom apartment and kept eating even when I wasn't hungry. A few days later, the fever broke and I was normal but weakened.

One well-known blogger down here posted her experience of being hospitalized with COVID and said the hospital gave her much the same recipe except with ivermectin.

And yet, officially, the health ministry which pays attention to everything that dribbles out from WHO and the CDC, they would tell you HCQ and ivermectin are not recommended. Yet they both worked and were dispensed by local health care people.

So, the WHO and CDC are now stressing that everyone get vaccine shots - even though they don't protect as promised (you can still catch COVID) and some experience major side effects. From recent experience, who should I trust - the government health cartels that have been lying to me about HCQ and ivermectin or follow what local health services have actually dispensed?

The medical community is losing the trust of the public over this. You used to believe the doctors were advising you with your own health as their first priority. That trust has eroded over the past 10-20 years much as the news media and U.S. Congress have. Today, they act like your body is theirs and you're just renting it.

7 posted on 09/22/2021 8:15:01 AM PDT by OrangeHoof (Chinese communism will look different once the masks come off.)
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To: ThereisnotanILGOP
She is spot-on here...
“Derisive reports of Ivermectin, universally mocking it as 'horse medicine' have been far too extensive, immediate, and universal to not be orchestrated and agenda driven. When the entire leftist Fake News world uses the exact same phraseology, it is clear that somebody has delivered them talking points which they parrot mindlessly and dutifully. And, of course, their premise is as baseless as it is contemptible."
Rush used to play those wonderful clips of all the talking heads on the networks using the exact same language as if following the marching orders that went out. It's the same thing going on here. The word went out to ridicule it as "horse dewormer" and BINGO that phrase popped up everywhere.

I was really dismayed yesterday to learn that the East Virginia Medical School has deep-sixed Dr. Paul Marik and his excellent COVID Protocol. It debuted at the EVMS site very early into the pandemic and catalogued all the treatments that worked and didn't work. He updated it frequently. Now it has completely vanished from the site. The Powers That Be obviously got to EVMS and threatened them.

8 posted on 09/22/2021 8:24:49 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom ("If I’m going to get my political views from those who chase balls, I’ll ask my dog.")
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To: AnglePark

I’ve said the same thing. The same exact logic can be used to describe the efficacy of vaccines.


9 posted on 09/22/2021 8:30:33 AM PDT by CTyank
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To: ThereisnotanILGOP

FRIDAY, SEPTEMBER 17, 2021
THORNER: TIME FOR OPEN, HONEST DIALOGUE ABOUT TREATING CORONAVIRUS - PART 1
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(This article is informational only, not intended to be medical advice. Pros and cons of treatments are offered)

By Nancy Thorner -

“Yep, you’re COVID positive. Go home and stay home until you’re negative. Call 911 if you can’t breathe.”

That’s about the extent of what those stricken with COVID over the past 18 months have been told on how to treat the virus symptoms. Little, if any, other help is offered to keep one from ending up in the hospital. It’s a dilemma that has baffled anyone observing the pandemic.

But the question is “Why?” And why is the media slapping down any possible treatments that some find that work?

In a report published by Liberty Counsel on Sept. 14, 2021, Ivermectin: Scare Tactics Unfounded, the report begins as follows: “The media is attempting to paint a picture in our minds that ivermectin is a ‘horse wormer’ and isn’t for human consumption. There are in fact two different forms of ivermectin. One is for livestock and the other is for human beings. As for safety, over four billion doses have been given to human patients since 1998.”

“In 2015, the Nobel Committee for Physiology or Medicine, in its only award for treatments of infectious diseases for six decades prior, honored the discovery of ivermectin, a multifaceted drug deployed against some of the world’s most devastating tropical diseases. Since it came on the market, it has been used off-label for other diseases and conditions such as Systemic Lupus and Papulopustular Rosacea. In 2018, a patent was filed to treat certain autoimmune disorders.”

Said Liberty Counsel Founder and Chairman Mat Stacer: “The FDA, CDC, Fauci and Biden are deceiving the American people in support of Big Pharma. We need open and honest dialogue, not propaganda sponsored and directed by Big Pharma. The censorship and misinformation must end. ivermectin has been proven time and time again to be a viable option in the prevention and treatment of COVID-19.”

According to Christopher G. Adamo, Attacks on Ivermectin and HCQ Are Textbook ‘Alinsky’: “Ivermectin has surfaced and is showing great promise in treating Covid cases. Much like HCQ, Ivermectin is time tested, widely available, and safe/easy to use. It is also establishing a strong track record of success against the virus. So, of course. the leftists are once again on the attack!”

“Derisive reports of Ivermectin, universally mocking it as ‘horse medicine’ have been far too extensive, immediate, and universal to not be orchestrated and agenda driven. When the entire leftist Fake News world uses the exact same phraseology, it is clear that somebody has delivered them talking points which they parrot mindlessly and dutifully. And, of course, their premise is as baseless as it is contemptible.”

“If Ivermectin can be derided as ‘horse medicine’ then so can penicillin and a host of other medications that are well known for their healing powers in humans, but have also been widely administered by veterinarians to treat their feline, canine, and equine patients. And in the case of Ivermectin, its incredible benefits to humanity in fighting infectious diseases resulted in it receiving the Nobel Prize in 2015. It was the first pharmaceutical to be awarded on that basis since 1952! Somehow, this is something the leftist Fake News crowd never mentions.”

As to the Nobel Prize in 2015, “The Nobel Committee for Physiology or Medicine, in its only award for treatments of infectious diseases since six decades prior, honoured the discovery of ivermectin (IVM), a multifaceted drug deployed against some of the world’s most devastating tropical diseases. Since March 2020, when IVM was first used against a new global scourge, COVID-19, more than 20 randomized clinical trials (RCTs) have tracked such inpatient and outpatient treatments. Six of seven meta-analyses of IVM treatment RCTs reporting in 2021 found notable reductions in COVID-19 fatalities, with a mean 31% relative risk of mortality vs. controls.”

“During mass IVM treatments in Peru, excess deaths fell by a mean of 74% over 30 days in its ten states with the most extensive treatments.”

As Wayne Allyn Root indicated in his article of September 5, 2021, Important: The Government and CDC Are Lying About Covid Vaccine and Ivermectin. The Question is Why?, Using results in Israel, Wayne Allyn Root refutes the US government and CDC’s arguments that the vaccine is our only chance to survive and that people are hospitalized and dying with Covid because they are unvaccinated.

Michelle Malkin had the following to say about ivermectin in her article of September 1, 2021, Ivermectin: Horse Hockey Versus Truth.

“First things first: The government and corporate media’s repeated description of ivermectin in headline after headline as a ‘horse de-wormer’ is pure propaganda. Yes, it is used as an anti-parasitic for animals. But ivermectin has been used to treat humans for parasitic infections for more than three decades.”

“Billions of humans around the world have taken ivermectin (approved by the FDA and considered an ‘essential medicine’ by the World Health Organization) under mass distribution programs to eradicate onchocerciasis (river blindness) and other tropical diseases. Ivermectin has also been shown to inhibit a broad range of viruses in laboratory studies, including HIV, influenza, West Nile virus and other RNA viruses. In 2018, more than 130,000 patients in the U.S. were prescribed the drug. It is a human drug, no matter how many times the mad cows in the media try to fear-monger you into believing otherwise.”


10 posted on 09/22/2021 8:31:47 AM PDT by saintgermaine (Saintgermain the time traveler)
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To: ThereisnotanILGOP

THORNER: TIME FOR OPEN, HONEST DIALOGUE ABOUT TREATING CORONAVIRUS - PART 2

(This article is informational only, not intended to be medical advice. Pros and cons of the treatment are offered)

By Nancy Thorner -

There’s plenty of information on the internet about the reasons doctors are giving not to use ivermectin to treat COVID. It’s not so easy to find reasons why lots of doctors have found the treatment to be effective in fighting COVID, especially when started early on.

Otherwise, patients are being told they are positive to COVID tests, and little - if any - treatments for COVID are ever offered before hospitalization. Only a warning to call 911 if a patient can’t breathe is suggested - sometimes two weeks after the diagnosis.

Why is that? And how can it be handled differently? Should more choices be offered to COVID patients?

Here’s what some health care professionals are saying about the controversial drug ivermectin’s use with COVID:
“For COVID-19, no vaccine, treatment or other intervention is 100% available and effective for all existing and future variants. Every practical, effective, and safe means should be used to mitigate COVID-19.”
“Ivermectin (IVM) when combined with other medications and supplements is significantly effective for treatment of COVID-19 ... including “breakthrough” disease for those vaccinated and for those with natural immunity from previous disease.”
“Follow the scientific medical evidence here: https://c19early.com and https://covid19criticalcare.com
“Due to its particular mechanisms of action, Ivermectin is effective against variants of SAR-CoV-2.”
“Ivermectin is well-tolerated by and very safe for humans.”
“Ivermectin for COVID-19 is effective and has been given to us on a silver platter. It can completely change the history of this disease.”
“Ivermectin is one of the safest medicines you can give a human being. It has been in use for 40 years and is on WHO’s list of essential medications.” Dr. Paul Marik, MD, Chief of Pulmonary and Critical Care Medicine, Eastern Virginia Medical School
“Ivermectin works. I’ve seen that in my patients. Ivermectin can really be the game-changer against COVID-19. It’s safe, it’s cheap and it works.” Dr. Alessandro Santin, MD, Yale School of Medicine
More positive information about the use of ivermectin for Covid treatment can be found here by Barnhardt: “Ivermectin is one of the most important drugs ever discovered, along with penicillin and aspirin, for human use and health. It is an anti-parasitic, but the events surrounding the Covid-19 crime against humanity have revealed that Ivermectin has stunning antiviral and anti-inflammatory properties that have been described as ‘borderline miraculous’ in treating viral pneumonia, and as a broad-spectrum prophylactic against cold and flu viruses.

In another post, Barnhardt has a map of Africa that shows the immense difference in Covid deaths between those countries that dispense ivermectin and those that don’t.

As Barnhardt explained: “Part of that difference could be due to the use anti-malaria drugs like hydroxychloroquine but in any case, there’s no money in either one for Big Pharma, so another inconvenient fact buried by the media and their Silicon Valley allies.”

Why the push to end prescribing, dispensing and use of ivermectin

The American Medical Association (AMA), the American Pharmacists Association (APhA), and the American Society of Health-System Pharmacists (ASHP) have called for an immediate end to prescribing, dispensing, and use of ivermectin to prevent or treat COVID-19 outside clinical trials.

“There are currently at least 104 studies with 66 being peer-reviewed as of August 7, 2021, showing that Ivermectin is not only the silver-bullet treatment for COVID-19, but is also a highly-effective prophylaxis against COVID-19.”

“The FDA lied about ivermectin saying it was dangerous and even lethal when in fact it was the cure for COVID. Instead Fauci’s Remdesivir and Regeneron was used for 10 months in 2020. It did not save lives, Remdesivir actually caused kidney failure.”

According to Professor Eli Schwartz, the founder of the Center for Travel Medicine and Tropical Disease at Sheba, “a drug called Ivermectin can be used to help reduce the length of coronavirus.” “The drug is also extremely economical.”

“A study published in the peer-reviewed American Journal of Therapeutics showed that the cost of ivermectin for other treatments in Bangladesh is around $0.60 to $1.80 for a five-day course. It costs up to $10 a day in Israel”,

Schwartz said, “Doctors in general, and pediatric doctors specifically, are being told by licensing boards & regulatory agencies tied to the political systems of healthcare – that medical providers board certification and licensing could be in jeopardy if they are found to be discussing negative vaccine outcomes and/or contradictory issues about COVID-19 treatment in non-private settings.”

Is it any wonder why hospitals and doctors are refusing to provide Ivermectin, even to the point of defying lawsuits to prevent needless deaths. Dr. Fauci himself has also spoken out against the drug.

“Don’t do it,” he warned, according to Boston.com. “There’s no evidence whatsoever that it works and it could potentially have toxicity…with people who have gone to poison control centers because they’ve taken the drug at a ridiculous dose and wind up getting sick.” Fauci added: “There’s no clinical evidence that indicates that this works.”

On public record

In January of 2021, a New York judge saved the life of an 80-year-old woman by ordering the hospital to give her ivermectin.

On September 5, 2021, a judge orders hospital to provide ivermectin to Covid 19 patient.

Rolling Stone came under fire: Dr. Jason McElyea is supposed to have said that gunshot victims couldn’t get care due to people overdosing on ivermectin. Unfortunately, the hospital came out and stated “NHS Sequoyah has not treated any patients due to complications related to taking ivermectin. This includes not treating any patients for ivermectin overdose. All patients who have visited our emergency room have received medical attention as appropriate. Our hospital has not had to turn away any patients seeking emergency care… and McElyea is not an employee of NHS Sequoyah, “he is affiliated with a medical staffing group that provides coverage for our emergency room, (but). McElyea has not worked at our Sallisaw location in over 2 months.”

In typical leftist propagandist fashion, the Associated Press bogusly reported on August 23, 2021 that 70% of calls to the Mississippi Poison Control Center involved Ivermectin. When called out on their totally misleading story, the AP recanted. But while some presume this to be a “black eye” for the AP, the ruse ultimately worked. The amount of coverage given to the original alarmist rant vastly eclipses their quiet retraction.

On Sept. 10, 2021, the Hindustan Times reported that Uttar Pradesh, with a population getting towards that of the whole USA, as of 10 Sept. was down to a whopping 199 cases. See here for the article.

Specifically, the article states: “There are no active cases of the coronavirus disease (Covid-19) in 33 districts of Uttar Pradesh, the state government informed on Friday. About 67 districts have not reported a single new case of the viral infection in the last 24 hours, the government said, noting the steady improvement of the Covid-19 situation in the state. The 33 Covid free districts include Aligarh, Amroha, Ayodhya, Baghpat, Ballia, Balrampur, Banda, Basti, Bahraich, Bijnor, Bhadohi, Chitrakoot, Chandauli, Etah, Deoria, Fatehpur, Ghazipur, Gonda, Hamirpur, Hapur, Hardoi, Hathras, Kasganj, Lalitpur and Mahoba. The list also includes Moradabad, Muzaffarnagar, Pilibhit, Rampur, Saharanpur, Shamli, Siddharth Nagar, and Sonbhadra, according to the state government data. Overall, the state has a total of 199 active cases, while the positivity rate came down to less than 0.01 per cent.”


11 posted on 09/22/2021 8:32:54 AM PDT by saintgermaine (Saintgermain the time traveler)
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To: ThereisnotanILGOP

Actually about 20 months late...


12 posted on 09/22/2021 8:34:35 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: ThereisnotanILGOP

L-Lysine seems to help patients recover faster.


13 posted on 09/22/2021 8:37:47 AM PDT by taxcontrol (The choice is clear - either live as a slave on your knees or die as a free citizen on your feet.)
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To: OrangeHoof

“The medical community is losing the trust of the public over this.”

That is a great post!! I have medical conditions that require me to see at least two doctors (separate specialties) at least every 90 days.

Through my medical ordeal several years ago (both life-threatening) I learned very quickly that modern medicine is very wonderful and advanced. But, in the end, it is the doctor that delivers the goods. They are humans. If you want to survive you had better do your own research and become a part of the team with your doctor and challenge them or seek other opinions when called for. I did and it saved my life.

I don’t blindly accept any diagnosis or treatment! I sure don’t accept a government-run treatment plan for this virus. Hell, look at what they have done with the rest of our society!

As one great person once said, “Trust and verify” and this verification part has not worked out too well for quite a while now.


14 posted on 09/22/2021 8:48:20 AM PDT by icclearly
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To: who knows what evil?

YES!!


15 posted on 09/22/2021 9:10:42 AM PDT by ThereisnotanILGOP
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To: icclearly
I don’t blindly accept any diagnosis or treatment!

Too bad more don't think like you.

I have a rare blood disorder and my doctors treat me with what they think works, or what they're told to do, I'm not sure which. I learned years ago that I am my own best health advocate and research everything. I'm now taking my own cocktail and it is superior to anything all of my doctors have tried. In fact, they warned me I wouldn't survive yet here I am.

16 posted on 09/22/2021 9:12:56 AM PDT by scripter
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To: scripter

“Too bad more don’t think like you.”

Actually, one of my medical conditions (a few years ago) was a rare blood cancer (Mantle Cell Lymphoma). The other condition (kidney failure) was actually caused by the first.

I believe in medical science and frankly, it saved my life. I sought other opinions at the top cancer hospital in the country for my cancer and their treatment worked. My local nephrologist told me I would be on dialysis for the rest of my life. But after much research, I hit on a potential solution that worked to get me off of dialysis after three years (which is extremely rare).

God helps those who help themselves!


17 posted on 09/22/2021 9:51:11 AM PDT by icclearly
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To: ThereisnotanILGOP

“Yep, you’re COVID positive. Go home and stay home until you’re negative. Call 911 if you can’t breathe.”

That’s about the extent of what those stricken with COVID over the past 18 months have been told on how to treat the virus symptoms. Little, if any, other help is offered to keep one from ending up in the hospital. It’s a dilemma that has baffled anyone observing the pandemic.


Buddy of mine got it. Very mild symptoms, if that. No smell or taste. Said he felt like he could feel a very mild cold coming on. He’s in his mid-60s and not exactly doing the Ironman every year.

Got tested on a Friday, told of his positive result Saturday morning. Didn’t speak to a doctor until the following Thursday. Told to quarantine, drink fluids, take Tylenol and call back if he starts feeling worse.

I asked him when he goes back for another test to see if it’s gone or for a followup. Nope. Nothing. Do his quarantine thing and go back to normal life a week or so later.

So, the deadliest virus EVER and unless you have it really bad, it’s drink water/pedialyte, take tylenol, rest and don’t go near anyone. And if you’re feeling better after a week or more go back to your normal routine.

So, if you get Hep C, Ebola, HIV, Marburg, Small Pox, Hanta, you’ll be just fine with the same exact treatment regimen, right? You can take a trip to the Congo, get ebola, get on Delta as long as you’re wearing a paper mask, not receive any medical treatment and you’ll be fine in a week or two. Got it.


18 posted on 09/22/2021 10:00:49 AM PDT by qaz123
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To: Truthoverpower

You wrote: “Colloidal silver is the answer”. I respectfully disagree: proper use of such trivial punctuation items like periods and commas is the answer. Especially periods!!!!


19 posted on 09/22/2021 10:31:34 AM PDT by exinnj
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