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The Ultimate Contagion: China Sovereign Risk Is Starting To Blow Out ("Something historic will happen this week")
Real News Aggregator.com ^ | 9-20-2021

Posted on 09/20/2021 8:59:22 AM PDT by blam

"Something historic will happen this week" was how we started to explain the process by which the collapse of Evergrande could spread contagiously across the world this week.

One glance at global markets this morning suggests, at a minimum, that risk is being de-grossed across everything from European utilities to cryptos to US materials stocks.

However, the biggest – and ultimate-est – contagion is that of China's sovereign risk itself… and that is starting to blow out…

This sudden surge in default risk on China's sovereign debt is very significant in the context of China's constant reassurance to the rest of the world that it is solid-as-a-rock (just as Larry fink, but don't ask George Soros). However, we do note that China CDS spiked to around 90bps in March 2020 (as the COVID crisis hit) and around 150bps in early 2016 (accelerating after China devalued the yuan in late 2015).

The question is, of course, where will this stop this time? How much 'risk' is China willing to take with its sovereign risk?


TOPICS: Society
KEYWORDS: china; contagion; economy; finance
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Could Evergrande Collaspe China's Economy?

"Evergrande operates and develops 1,300 real estate projects across China and employs 200,000 people. The company financed its breakneck expansion with credit and bond issues. But the pandemic has paralyzed its operations. Its debt equates to two percent of Chinese Gross Domestic Product."

1 posted on 09/20/2021 8:59:22 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam

No doubt Joe will help them out, because they’re “too big to fail”.


2 posted on 09/20/2021 9:05:50 AM PDT by ryderann
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To: blam

The Chinese economy is the industrial powerhouse of the world.

It will come through the current decade as surely as the USA did in the 1930’s.

However, the Chinese government response will be costly. But bear in mind that the US national debt has soared in the past two years.

Don’t expect the Chinese government to squander $3.5 trillion though.


3 posted on 09/20/2021 9:07:52 AM PDT by Brian Griffin ( )
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To: blam

A friend of mine at Franklin Templeton says the Chicom real estate market lost over $1 trillion in value in the past business day. It would be even worse but their government stopped trading.

Meanwhile our own markets are starting to get squirrely.


4 posted on 09/20/2021 9:08:37 AM PDT by MercyFlush (The American Revolution was a violent revolt against a dictatorship. )
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To: blam

Bubbles everywhere, Worldwide. Will this be the big trigger for popping the bubbles??


5 posted on 09/20/2021 9:12:11 AM PDT by Huskrrrr (Alinsky, you magnificent Bastard, I read your book!)
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To: blam
Too late. China has already defaulted.

It's been over a century since China paid American holders of Chinese treasuries for the "railroad" debt of the Qing dynasty. The unpaid debt with interest is over $1 trillion. Obviously the original owners have passed away, but China still owes their heirs. Those unpaid notes are so worthless they've been selling on ebay as historic mementos.

6 posted on 09/20/2021 9:12:42 AM PDT by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: Brian Griffin

I believe China has 3X the government debt to GDP ratio that we have. They also have a massive real estate bubble. Xi’s crack down on billionaires almost certainly will stifle capital expansion. This could be the perfect storm for China.


7 posted on 09/20/2021 9:15:23 AM PDT by Pres Raygun (Repent America)
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To: Pres Raygun

There are massive financial problems on both sides of the Pacific involving unimaginable amounts of money. Isn’t the usual course of action in these cases a nice attention-diverting war?


8 posted on 09/20/2021 10:05:35 AM PDT by Blurb2350 (posted from my 1500-watt blow dryer)
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To: blam

Gold, silver, brass, lead.

Screw the rest.


9 posted on 09/20/2021 10:09:04 AM PDT by Jim Noble (The nation cannot be saved until the GOP is destroyed)
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To: blam

So the Wall Street geniuses almost destroyed the world in 2008 with their Credit Default Swaps, and now they are still playing the same game.


10 posted on 09/20/2021 10:10:56 AM PDT by Kozak (The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. TV)
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To: Blurb2350

Unfortunately you are absolutely correct.
Problems at home? Divert the foolish masses attention. Create a national threat and have a nice war.
Them nasty Americans have caused ALL our domestic problems, let’s invade Taiwan. Dementia Joe won’t make a move.


11 posted on 09/20/2021 10:19:35 AM PDT by Joe Boucher (Dementia Joe and the Whore, leaders of the Free world. ( F-you dementia Joe.))
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To: blam

China is red
Soylent is green
They want us all dead
So COVID-19


12 posted on 09/20/2021 10:20:24 AM PDT by null and void (No jab/no job = Only the compliant can work, they won't spread dangerous ideas around the workplace!)
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To: ryderann

China called the Whitehouse and left a message:
They want their 10% back...


13 posted on 09/20/2021 10:20:58 AM PDT by Delmarksman
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To: blam

Note to Deep State: Put Trump back.

NOW.


14 posted on 09/20/2021 10:22:33 AM PDT by mewzilla (Those aren't masks. They're muzzles. )
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To: Brian Griffin
It will come through the current decade as surely as the USA did in the 1930’s.

WWII production and the rest of the world being devastated by the war.

China sees this as a clear path to being the world's only surviving superpower...

15 posted on 09/20/2021 10:22:55 AM PDT by null and void (No jab/no job = Only the compliant can work, they won't spread dangerous ideas around the workplace!)
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To: null and void

That is excellent Null.


16 posted on 09/20/2021 10:26:25 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Pres Raygun

Most don’t know these but the CHICOMS printed money at a much, much higer rate than the FED in 2008 to 2010.


17 posted on 09/20/2021 10:26:44 AM PDT by BiglyCommentary
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To: blam

Amazing how fast we went from “China is going to own the USA and everything in it” to “China is in collapse”.


18 posted on 09/20/2021 11:00:31 AM PDT by SaxxonWoods ( comment might be sarcasm, or not. It depends. Often I'm not sure either.)
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To: Huskrrrr

“Will this be the big trigger for popping the bubbles??”

No, the ultimate wet dream of all non-investors will not come true.


19 posted on 09/20/2021 11:01:42 AM PDT by SaxxonWoods ( comment might be sarcasm, or not. It depends. Often I'm not sure either.)
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To: Pres Raygun

Maybe the Central Committee of the CCP will decide Xi needs to go stand beside a ditch. Or at least get the Kruschev treatment and be “retired” under house arrest.


20 posted on 09/20/2021 11:08:20 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up....)
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