Posted on 09/03/2021 7:59:10 PM PDT by Fractal Trader
A new report with detailed data from Public Health England provides some startling numbers.
For the period of February 1 through August 2 there were COVID Delta variant cases for 47,000 people who had received 2 vaccine doses, and for 151,054 people who were unvaccinated.
In the first group of vaccinated people there were a total of 402 deaths, and in the second much larger group of unvaccinated people there were 253 deaths. To get the death rate you divide the number of deaths by the total number of infection cases.
That gives a death rate of .86 percent among the vaccinated and .17 percent among the unvaccinated. That is an amazing difference. The death rate among vaccinated was just over five times greater than that for the unvaccinated.
In other words, unvaccinated people who got infected were enormously safer from death. How can we explain this huge difference in terms of medical science? It should also be noted that it was determined that the measured viral load in both groups was the same.
So, why are vaccinated people dying more frequently than the unvaccinated. Here are some plausible explanations.
First, there is something very dangerous and unsafe in the COVID vaccines associated with spike proteins that are causing people to die at a higher rate. For example, as discussed elsewhere, all current vaccines have been associated with serious blood problems, notably both large and microscopic blood clots. Many people have died from brain bleeds and strokes, for example.
There are also many, many other types of adverse side effects causing a host of medical problems. Two famous virologists warned against using the current vaccines because they are fundamentally unsafe and could be killing people. They loudly proclaimed that the mass vaccination program should be halted. Instead, they advocated use of treatments using generic medicines like ivermectin, as detailed in Pandemic Blunder.
Second, it is reasonable to believe that most unvaccinated people have acquired natural immunity from some prior COVID infection. And that natural immunity is far more protective than the artificial or vaccine immunity obtained from jabs. Yet the US, like many other countries, does not give credit for natural immunity on a par with vaccine immunity when it comes to COVID passports and mandates. Very few nations do the right thing by honestly following the science.
Third, vaccinated people are susceptible to breakthrough infections, which means that they are not protected against infection after they have been originally infected. Phony and dangerous COVID vaccines do not destroy the virus, nor prevent transmitting it to others.
Conclusion The new data from England involving very large numbers of people should be headline news. But the biased and dishonest big media suppress this kind of critical data. Why? Clearly, if vaccinated people die at a much higher rate than unvaccinated people, then why should people be enthusiastic about being vaccinated? They should not. This is especially true for the millions of people who have natural immunity.
NOQ is iffy at times and likes going sensational when they don't have to. Given the source material, can you explain how Hirschhorn is getting his conclusion wrong?
Paragraphs and big words that I have to look up are fine. Good answers are needed more than easy ones.
98% of the “unvaccinated” were under 50 and at almost zero risk of death. As they say figures lie and liars figure...
670 of the 742 90.2% of the deaths occurred in the over 50 group. The majority of deaths occurred in the TINY unvaxxed over 50 group. THAT is the story of these numbers. Either Dr. Hirschhorn isn’t very bright, or he’s intentionally misrepresenting this report...
Oh look, he’s yet another member of “America’s Frontline Doctors”, and has published several antivax articles.
yep-according to actual research paper: the death rate is 3 times worse for un-vaccinated over 50.
In un-vaccinated group there were only 3,442 over 50 and 205 deaths, in vaccinated there were 21,472 and a 389 deaths or a death rate of .018
Doctors today are a sad, broke, over-educated lot. Unless it’s surgery, or doing spinal adjustments as a chiropractor, all you need to do their job is a Rolodex in one hand and a sheaf of pharmaceutical brochures in the other. They’re just angry with the world because after all those long hours of memorization and mountains of debt they’re lucky to net what a high school dropout who learned to code brings home. Prove me wrong... but come prepared to show tax returns...
RE: In the multi-hospital system I work for, fully 30% of those currently in the hospital with Covid have been vaccinated. It has recently been as high as 40%.
Well, if true, that means that 60% to 70% of those currently hospitalized in your hospital are UNVACCINATED.
This isn’t really much of an argument for or against vaccination.
It is going to get a lot worse.
Even less so when you figure the unvaccinated are a much smaller group. Still, there is no doubt we are seeing some waning of vax effectiveness in the very old. Those are the people who should be getting booster shots, not "everyone". Though, if younger people want them and doses are available, let them have it.
Heres the UKs Report
Is there a breakdown of age, health related conditions, etc.? What if the vaccinated ones who died were mostly over 70 and in poor health, etc.?
https://twitter.com/john_actuary/status/1433823518437875712 But how come you say, when still many more people fully vaccinated are being admitted/dying than are unvaccinated? It's all down to how many are in each group. There are 26 times more fully jabbed than jabless in the over 50s. You can then see how the maths works out below. 
I have a friend who is a nurse in pediatrics who says the same thing.
Hmm....not seeing much by way of answers. :O
Please look at Post #13...
You may not like the source, but there is a report link had you bothered...
That’s good data. Thank you.
But some zealot will challenge it anyway.
Probably on the grounds of a supposed global conspiracy to kill everyone with the vax, therefore they are lying to everyone.
The unvaxxed in UK are 8x more likely to die, and 11x more likely to be hospitalized.
Ant opinions on wheter the RSV may be caused or aggravated by masks?
Ping
So you have better talents than this guy:
A FULL COLLEGE PROFESSOR WITH A TRACK RECORD IN THIS VERY SAME PROBLEM DOMAIN???
Your credentials, please???
Dr. Joel S. Hirschhorn, as a full professor at the University of Wisconsin, Madison, directed a medical research program between the colleges of engineering and medicine. At the Congressional Office of Technology Assessment and the National Governors Association, he directed major health-related studies. He has testified at over 50 U.S. Senate and House hearings and authored hundreds of articles in journals and on websites, plus op-ed articles in major newspapers. He has been an executive volunteer at a major hospital for more than 10 years. His newest book is PandemicBlunder.
Anything that doesn't support my bizarre conspiracy theory is part of the conspiracy!
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