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Delta Variant Death Rate Among Vaccinated Over 5 Times HIGHER Than the Unvaccinated in England
NoQ Report ^ | 3 September 2021 | Dr. Joel S. Hirschhorn

Posted on 09/03/2021 7:59:10 PM PDT by Fractal Trader

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To: jerod; MarMema
Source: SARS-CoV-2 variants of concern and variants under investigation in England Technical Briefing 20, August 20, 2021, Public Health England.

NOQ is iffy at times and likes going sensational when they don't have to. Given the source material, can you explain how Hirschhorn is getting his conclusion wrong?

Paragraphs and big words that I have to look up are fine. Good answers are needed more than easy ones.

41 posted on 09/03/2021 8:52:08 PM PDT by Widget Jr
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To: Jane Long; jerod; Mariner; TTFX

98% of the “unvaccinated” were under 50 and at almost zero risk of death. As they say figures lie and liars figure...

670 of the 742 90.2% of the deaths occurred in the over 50 group. The majority of deaths occurred in the TINY unvaxxed over 50 group. THAT is the story of these numbers. Either Dr. Hirschhorn isn’t very bright, or he’s intentionally misrepresenting this report...

Oh look, he’s yet another member of “America’s Frontline Doctors”, and has published several antivax articles.


42 posted on 09/03/2021 8:53:27 PM PDT by ETCM
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To: ETCM

yep-according to actual research paper: the death rate is 3 times worse for un-vaccinated over 50.

In un-vaccinated group there were only 3,442 over 50 and 205 deaths, in vaccinated there were 21,472 and a 389 deaths or a death rate of .018


43 posted on 09/03/2021 8:56:22 PM PDT by TECTopcat
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To: TTFX

Doctors today are a sad, broke, over-educated lot. Unless it’s surgery, or doing spinal adjustments as a chiropractor, all you need to do their job is a Rolodex in one hand and a sheaf of pharmaceutical brochures in the other. They’re just angry with the world because after all those long hours of memorization and mountains of debt they’re lucky to net what a high school dropout who learned to code brings home. Prove me wrong... but come prepared to show tax returns...


44 posted on 09/03/2021 8:58:28 PM PDT by Toad of Toad Hall (nunquam minus solus quam cum solus)
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To: scouter; Fractal Trader

RE: In the multi-hospital system I work for, fully 30% of those currently in the hospital with Covid have been vaccinated. It has recently been as high as 40%.

Well, if true, that means that 60% to 70% of those currently hospitalized in your hospital are UNVACCINATED.

This isn’t really much of an argument for or against vaccination.


45 posted on 09/03/2021 9:09:24 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: Fractal Trader

It is going to get a lot worse.


46 posted on 09/03/2021 9:14:54 PM PDT by bray (Time to resign Joe)
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To: SeekAndFind
Well, if true, that means that 60% to 70% of those currently hospitalized in your hospital are UNVACCINATED. This isn’t really much of an argument for or against vaccination.

Even less so when you figure the unvaccinated are a much smaller group. Still, there is no doubt we are seeing some waning of vax effectiveness in the very old. Those are the people who should be getting booster shots, not "everyone". Though, if younger people want them and doses are available, let them have it.

47 posted on 09/03/2021 9:21:05 PM PDT by ETCM
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To: jerod

Heres the UKs Report

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1009243/Technical_Briefing_20.pdf


48 posted on 09/03/2021 9:24:55 PM PDT by NoLibZone (In 2 yrs only living will be conservative Christians Liberal vaxed sheep will be dead.Trust G's plan)
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To: Fractal Trader

Is there a breakdown of age, health related conditions, etc.? What if the vaccinated ones who died were mostly over 70 and in poor health, etc.?


49 posted on 09/03/2021 9:24:57 PM PDT by Left2Right (There is water at the bottom of the ocean)
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Image https://twitter.com/john_actuary/status/1433823518437875712 But how come you say, when still many more people fully vaccinated are being admitted/dying than are unvaccinated? It's all down to how many are in each group. There are 26 times more fully jabbed than jabless in the over 50s. You can then see how the maths works out below. Image
50 posted on 09/03/2021 9:26:54 PM PDT by phoneman08 (qwiyrqweopigradfdz oncm,.dadfjl,dz )
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To: scouter

I have a friend who is a nurse in pediatrics who says the same thing.


51 posted on 09/03/2021 9:32:24 PM PDT by Treeless Branch
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To: ocrp1982

Hmm....not seeing much by way of answers. :O


52 posted on 09/03/2021 9:38:21 PM PDT by The Duke (Search for 'Sydney Ducks' and understand what is needed.)
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To: MarMema; jerod

Please look at Post #13...
You may not like the source, but there is a report link had you bothered...


53 posted on 09/03/2021 9:39:16 PM PDT by Freedom56v2 (Don't Australia my America!)
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To: phoneman08

That’s good data. Thank you.

But some zealot will challenge it anyway.

Probably on the grounds of a supposed global conspiracy to kill everyone with the vax, therefore they are lying to everyone.


54 posted on 09/03/2021 9:39:46 PM PDT by Mariner (War criminal #18)
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To: Mariner

The unvaxxed in UK are 8x more likely to die, and 11x more likely to be hospitalized.


55 posted on 09/03/2021 9:42:33 PM PDT by Mariner (War criminal #18)
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To: scouter

Ant opinions on wheter the RSV may be caused or aggravated by masks?


56 posted on 09/03/2021 9:44:25 PM PDT by moonhawk (Are you now, or have you ever been, a member of the Communist Party? Asking for a friend.)
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To: jerod
posted on 9/3/2021, 8:59:10 PM by Fractal Trader

Such a reliable source... This is complete nonsense!

3 posted on 9/3/2021, 9:00:58 PM by jerod


LOL you waited a whole 1 minute and 48 seconds from the initial post to posting your reply that it's ALL COMPLETE NONSENSE. That's quite a display of restraint you've made. Or your bot timer is off. Whichever.
57 posted on 09/03/2021 9:49:03 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: Fractal Trader

Ping


58 posted on 09/03/2021 9:49:23 PM PDT by WhattheDickens? (Funny, I didn’t think this was 1984…)
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To: TECTopcat; Jane Long; ransomnote
Thank you for posting this but who ever wrote the NOQ article is not schooled in data analytics and we have enough arguments without trying apples to oranges-they used a young age group to seniors-the actual research article makes the opposite argument-unvaccinated die 3x more at same age comparison.

So you have better talents than this guy:

A FULL COLLEGE PROFESSOR WITH A TRACK RECORD IN THIS VERY SAME PROBLEM DOMAIN???

Your credentials, please???

Dr. Joel S. Hirschhorn, as a full professor at the University of Wisconsin, Madison, directed a medical research program between the colleges of engineering and medicine. At the Congressional Office of Technology Assessment and the National Governors Association, he directed major health-related studies. He has testified at over 50 U.S. Senate and House hearings and authored hundreds of articles in journals and on websites, plus op-ed articles in major newspapers. He has been an executive volunteer at a major hospital for more than 10 years. His newest book is PandemicBlunder.

59 posted on 09/03/2021 9:51:28 PM PDT by Fractal Trader
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To: Mariner
Probably on the grounds of a supposed global conspiracy to kill everyone with the vax, therefore they are lying to everyone.

Anything that doesn't support my bizarre conspiracy theory is part of the conspiracy!

60 posted on 09/03/2021 9:57:23 PM PDT by ETCM
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