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How The Taliban Crushed The Afghan National Army So Easily
19FortyFive ^ | 8/17/2021 | Robert Farley

Posted on 08/17/2021 10:43:32 AM PDT by Onthebrink

While US support for the ANA has declined over the past year, the primary issues involved distribution rather than a lack of abundance. The problem of corruption among the Afghan elite turned out to be a bigger problem than a simple siphoning away of vast stores of wealth; it cut at the very sinew of the national government, preventing Kabul from mobilizing military force at a time of critical need. Nor was this purely an Afghan problem; US contractors played a crucial role in facilitating the corruption across the Kabul government.

Armies fight for any number of reasons, from the defense of the homeland to concern over personal safety to the desire for loot to ideological or religious fervor. Unsurprisingly, the Taliban had a good sense of the cultural and material levers it needed to pull in order to induce a rapid ANA collapse.

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TOPICS: Government; History; Military/Veterans; Politics
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; afghanistancollapse; blogpimp; california; crapblog; history; joebiden; nancypelosi; poswebsite; waronterror
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1 posted on 08/17/2021 10:43:32 AM PDT by Onthebrink
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To: Onthebrink

apparenty only the taliban thinks of Afghanistan as a ‘country’ - the rest are all just tribesman who want to live their life and not be bothers

We could let them just sort it out among themselves, but they went and supported Al Qaida and Bin Laden


2 posted on 08/17/2021 10:45:37 AM PDT by Mr. K (No consequence of repealing obamacare is worse than obamacare itself)
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To: Onthebrink

Because the Afghan army, initially was getting paid by the US Taxpayer, along with food, water, clothes, weapons, places to live, air conditioning, etc.

Some may have fought bravely. When they had an A Team alongside them, calling in Air Support.

When that stopped they stopped getting paid.

Those same Afghani military members support the Taliban.


3 posted on 08/17/2021 10:46:24 AM PDT by qaz123
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To: Onthebrink

If the Afghans are such wimps they won’t fight for their country...let them rot.

Not one more American life dying to save a third world hell hole and the spineless, inbred scum who inhabit it.


4 posted on 08/17/2021 10:47:57 AM PDT by bimboeruption (Trump = The best President since Washington. )
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To: Onthebrink

Because their military leaders were all in diversity training seminars at the time. Priorities!


5 posted on 08/17/2021 10:48:17 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: Onthebrink
the primary issues involved distribution rather than a lack of abundance

The primary issue is the overwhelming desire of the local population for freedom, which could not be eradicated by a mercenary army paid for by aliens from half way around the world who fly the gay pride and BLM flags at their embassy.

Now, their freedom was freedom to practice their religion, which is why they should stay over there and we should stay over here - but the colonial troops usually lose to the freedom fighters, and this is just another sad example.

6 posted on 08/17/2021 10:49:44 AM PDT by Jim Noble (The nation cannot be saved until the GOP is destroyed)
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To: qaz123

They are tribalist first and foremost. “Feed me and I’m on your side”. Been so for a couple thousand years or more.


7 posted on 08/17/2021 10:50:01 AM PDT by Don Corleone (leave the gun, take the canolis)
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To: Onthebrink

with a cellphone...


8 posted on 08/17/2021 10:51:23 AM PDT by Chode (there is no fall back position, there's no rally point, there is no LZ... we're on our own. P144:1)
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To: bimboeruption

“If the Afghans are such wimps they won’t fight for their country...let them rot.”

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That sounds so callous, but honestly, was there ever an exit strategy?

Reminds me of when Bush gave his state of the union before the Iraq buildup and said we are not in the business of nation building. Well, why didn’t you just have the brass-ones leave the power vacuum there as soon as you accomplished the military mission then instead of waiting for it to be someone else’s problem decades later?

I don’t know what the ANA is like at all, but in my imagination, they just want government paychecks. They aren’t fanatics, true believers, or even nationalists. They were never going to stand up for themselves, on their own two feet, when things got hairy. So whose job was it to recruit and vet them? Who at the top actually thought that was the long term exit strategy?


9 posted on 08/17/2021 10:53:46 AM PDT by z3n
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To: Don Corleone

Pretty much. Remember how well Iraq treated us after we ridded them of Sadaam Hussein? Same shiite different tribe.


10 posted on 08/17/2021 10:54:09 AM PDT by Blue Highway
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To: Onthebrink
Remember, folks, it's the Biden Administration that wants our economy dependent on electric vehicles powered by rare-earth magnet electric motors and lithium batteries.

And also remember, Joe is beholden to China.

US discovers $1 trillion Afghan mineral deposits-NYT

SINGAPORE, June 14 (Reuters) - Afghanistan could be holding $1 trillion of untapped mineral deposits including critical industrial metals such as lithium, the New York Times reported, quoting U.S. government officials.

The previously unknown deposits of iron, copper, cobalt and gold are so huge that it could transform the impoverished nation into one of the world's important mining centres, the report on the newspaper's website said.

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An internal Pentagon memo said Afghanistan could become the "Saudi Arabia of lithium", the New York Times said. Lithium is a key raw material in the manufacture of batteries for laptops and other electronics such as mobile telephones.


11 posted on 08/17/2021 10:58:47 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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The NYT atually did some journalism with this piece: Why the Afghan Military Collapsed So Quickly. it is a bit more comprehensive than this story.

KEY QUESTION: When did we pull logistics and pay? Was this another element of Xiden's disastrous plan? That question should be right up front.

Also, I wish PDJT would come out and say "we had a plan markedly different from SloJoe's. No doubt the Pentagon suggested it to him, but being 'mine,' it was rejected out of hand."

12 posted on 08/17/2021 11:02:36 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Claiming Racism, the antidote to personal responsibility)
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To: qaz123
When that stopped they stopped getting paid, and fed, and supplied with ammo.
13 posted on 08/17/2021 11:03:47 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Claiming Racism, the antidote to personal responsibility)
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To: bimboeruption
wimps they won’t fight for their country

Most Afghans never signed on to be a "country", must less fight for one...

Outsiders made that claim.
14 posted on 08/17/2021 11:08:30 AM PDT by cgbg (A kleptocracy--if they can keep it. Think of it as the Cantillon Effect in action.)
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To: Onthebrink

When the Afghan soldiers realized that Biden was going to cut off air support intel and logistic support, they read the tea leaves and justifiably threw in the towel. The surprise abandonment of Baghram air base was the smoking gun that for Afghanis, it was all over. It was also the green light that Taliban fighters were waiting for.


15 posted on 08/17/2021 11:16:16 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard (resist the narrative. .)
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To: Onthebrink; Fred Nerks

the Taliban had a good sense of the cultural and material levers it needed to pull in order to induce a rapid ANA collapse.>>>>>>>>>>>>

Translation: The taliban received billions of dollars from Red China in order to pay off both local warlords to stand dopwn, and pay off the Afghani National Army leadership and Officers in the traditional way of Afghani bargaining. It was all set up p[erfectly. Not only that, Joe Biden had the INTEL from CIA that it had been set up.

Joe Biden is the quintessential grifter. Joe Biden just grifted America, demoralized our military, and let china know that the USA will not prevent a red Chinese assault on Taiwan.Not bad Joe! ( sarc.)

And it will be months before even the conservative press catches up with it. B but many of us FReepers know exactly how Obama works , and how Joe is being instructed, . All you have to do is analyaze thge gemnocide Obama perpetrated in Libya to know exactly what they do with Afghanistan. This disaster has maximum exploitability for Joe.


16 posted on 08/17/2021 11:25:21 AM PDT by Candor7 ((Obama Fascism:http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html) )
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To: Onthebrink

My understanding is the Afghan army HAS been doing the fighting the last 5 years. The US has been providing 1) air cover, 2) contractors, and 3) ISR intel. Once we took 1,2, and 3 away, the army was blind and refused to fight.


17 posted on 08/17/2021 11:35:13 AM PDT by 11th_VA (Stolen elections have consequences.)
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To: bimboeruption

Sad to see the pathetic ignorance of the public reflected here. Trusting the democrat-friendly media-driven narrative is no way for an American to go through life.

Here are some inconvenient facts. The US military stopped combat operations in 2014. That mission was taken up solely by the Afghan army. Since then the Afghan army has lost upwards of 50-60,000 men in fighting the Taliban. Every year the Taliban launches an offensive. Every year, until now, they have been beaten back by the afghan army.

Yes, we supplied heavy air support, logistic support, intelligence, administrative competence. But afghanis did the fighting and dying, confident that the US was behind them. Through all that, the US has not lost a man to the enemy since February 2020.

Your unwarranted and insulting comments about these people reflect only on your credulity in people who lie to you.


18 posted on 08/17/2021 11:42:29 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard (resist the narrative. .)
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To: Onthebrink
article: "The problem of corruption among the Afghan elite "

It is about time OUR "elites" recognized that our culture, the culture of the Anglosphere is unique among all world cultures. Essentially all non-European cultures, with the exception of Israel (European basically), and India (honorary member of the Anglosphere) are full of corrupt loathsome people.

These other societies are all ruled by a "strongman" of one stripe or another. Africa, Latin, America, Asia (not Japan or South Korea) are populated with despicable people whose only code of conduct is grab as much as you can at any opportunity, everyone else be damned. Giving aid to these countries is LITERALLY akin to setting bushels of banknotes on fire. The outcome is the same.

19 posted on 08/17/2021 12:06:34 PM PDT by Governor Dinwiddie ("Success is 10 percent inspiration and 90 percent perspiration." — Thomas Edison)
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bkmk


20 posted on 08/17/2021 2:20:58 PM PDT by sauropod (Time is like quicksilver, smearing the years... - Bill Nelson)
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