Restoring Trump may start with decertifying one "elected" 2020 U.S. Senator

Dr. Franklin | July 20, 2021 | Dr. Franklin

[DoodleDawg]

Anyone of mediocre or lesser intelligence.

Anyone of any level of intelligence.

I'm not sure exactly what led to this discourse - it may have been your baseless claim that Pence could have done something to prevent the counting of the electoral votes - but regardless, it's pointless and I'm going to cede the contest to you. For if I've learned one thing in life it's that it's very hard to win arguments with smart people...and darned near impossible to win arguments with stupid people. So I'll leave you to yourself.

[nesnah]

Another FRaud crapping all over everything.

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It’s what he excels at.

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I wasn’t talking about him.

[DiogenesLamp]

I am happy that you have chosen not to argue further with me, and I don’t care what your perceived reasons were.

[Reily]

Funny I don’t remember Trump breaking any laws. I don’t remember him doing anything unconstitutional or extraconstitutional. Yes he was accused of that. I just remember him being rude to liberals and governing more conservatively then Reagan. You uncap the genie of anarchy you’re not going to get what you think you want. It’s far likelier you’ll end up with something far worse then what we have.

[DiogenesLamp]

The genie of anarchy has already been uncapped. Have you not noticed all the riots and burnings this year and last?

Did you not notice the fraudulent election of 2020?

The horse is gone. Locking the barn door is pointless now.

It’s far likelier you’ll end up with something far worse then what we have.

I think we are already going to end up with something far worse than what we have.

Russia didn't start with gulags, but with street uprisings.

[DoodleDawg]

I wasn’t talking about him.

I know. But you left the door wide open and I couldn't resist.

[Dr. Franklin]

Sadly David Perdue is only marginally better than a Democrat. He would no more challenge the electoral college than the man in the moon.

Perhaps, but Perdue failed to exceed 50% of the total votes for senate by only 13,471 votes. Should an audit or judicial review of the ballots determine that fewer ballots were actually cast, or those counted were fraudulent, that number would go down. In terms of numbers, Perdue's senate race is the easiest to overturn. We can hope that he would push for further investigation into the 2020 election fraud both in GA and other states should he return to the U.S. Senate. If he wants to have a political future he will, unlike Loeffler who betrayed MAGA on Jan. 6th.

[Dr. Franklin]

Who in the world thinks that a Democrat controlled House or Senate is going to revoke recognition of a member allied to them? It won’t happen no matter how strongly you can prove the seat was awarded fraudulently. Outside of the legislative body ejecting them there is no legal mechanism or provision for removing someone from the legislature before the end of their term.

Ah, but since the Senate is split 50-50, that means in order to prevail on such a vote, either the Senator at issue would need to vote for himself, which should violate some ethical rule, or at least one RINO would need to be absent or vote with the Dems. Remember this would likely happen after some finding at the state level that the election was certified in error, e.g., a court in Georgia finds that there were 26,941 less legal ballots in Perdue's senate race, and he is the rightful senator from GA. A partisan vote on the issue with the Ho breaking a tie would look very bad.

I absolutely believe that these audits are necessary, should go forward and will prove fraud occurred. But to think that a single Democrat will be unseated before the 2022 elections because of it is incredibly stupid, naïve and delusional. The best outcome we can get is strengthening the election laws and enforcement and removing corrupt election officials so we can have cleaner elections going forward.

Being a Gloomy Gus, spreading defeatism, and being a quitter doesn't accomplish anything. This was a stolen election with unprecedented election fraud. Let's start by chipping away at the margins where we can. It will build momentum, and counter the corporate media propaganda about how "safe and secure" the election was. One domino will start a chain reaction.

[Dr. Franklin]

How long would it take this Congress (in seconds, or minutes if you prefer) to dismiss the objections and recertify Biden and Harris?

The closer Congresscritters are to an election, the more responsive they are to popular opinion. So, a lame duck session cares little about what the populous thinks of its actions. At the start of a new term in January, is just behind the lame duck session in that regard. Time, therefore, is on our side, not the coup conspirators. A Congress that simply refuses to address obvious fraud should get smoked in midterm election for failing to guarantee a "Republican form of government". Media propaganda is becoming less effective denying the obvious.

[Reily]

Before you go off and play Francis Marion or Mosby why don’t you fight the grassroots political battle first. Do what Trump has asked us to do take over the GOP. Go to the precinct meetings volunteer to stuff envelopes, make phone calls, canvas etc. Propose and vote for non-RINOs & non-country-clubbers for party offices and as local candidates. Will you get everything you want at first of course not. You might get something, but you might not. It will take time and perseverance. You’ll just be viewed as an interloper at first but with effort you gain trust & influence.

Sounds too hard doesn’t it !

[Dr. Franklin]

I can only come up with two alternatives regarding the stolen US Senate seats in this election:
1) The GOPe involved were too stupid to realize that the Democrats would do this while they stole Trump’s presidency.
2) The seats were “payment” that the GOPe made to the Democrats for getting rid of Trump.
Neither make our guys look very smart, nor do they bode well for fixing the US Senate.

It's the second explanation: the fix was in, and it is bipartisan. The RINOs encouraged the Dems to steal the election, and enough Senate seats to control spending bills, to get rid of Trump. So, now the Dems are looting the U.S. treasury to reward their shrinking political base. The RINOs thought that the rank and file Republicans would send them money in a panic for the midterms, while ignoring their complicity in the steal. The Uniparty is quite duplicitous.

[Dr. Franklin]

It’s fun to speculate.

If the audits result in flipping a Senate seat and a House seat then ALL of Biden's EV are open to challenge, except perhaps AZ and PA.

[Dr. Franklin]

Nothing in the Constitution allows states to recall U.S. Senators or Congressmen.

Another straw man from you. No one is suggesting that Congresscritters can be recalled.

You can try your Writ of Quo Warranto but I honestly don't think it works like you think it works.

I won't be filing for a writ if quo warranto as I am not an affected person.

[Dr. Franklin]

I think the main reason something won’t be done is because no matter what proof of fraud comes out the media won’t report it and social media won’t let it be posted. When it’s not on the local nightly news then it didn’t happen in most people’s eyes. I knew when the video of them pulling boxes of ballots from under tables in the middle of the night and running them through the machines (some stacks multiple times) with no one around came out and it didn’t go nation wide because someone said it was debunked that it was a wrap. It don’t get any clearer than that.

Yes, media propaganda and censorship plays a large role in where we are now. I've said for years that people who don't get news from the Internet, aren't really informed. People are catching on, and word does get out eventually. One reason why Trump gave Mike Lindell the NSA data and witnesses on the election steal is that he knew he needed a salesman to "sell" the story, since he knew very well that the corporate media would ignore the story if it were just a data dump.

[DiogenesLamp]

I have done all that, and it has worked within the confines of my own state. But my state is not the major problem.

To have any hope of applying any useful pressure in a place where it is needed, I will have to move to another state.

I realized this long ago, and I find it frustrating that the places that need my help are beyond my effective reach.

But yes, I put up one helluva fight in my state back in the day, and I and my allies secured a lot of improvements in the makeup of my state government and our federal representatives and Senators.

But as i've said, my state is not where the problems lie.

[DiogenesLamp]

I know. But you left the door wide open and I couldn't resist.

I just saw it as another example of you getting something wrong. I knew he was talking about you, and by your response it appeared you didn't "get it."

So now we know your obtuse response was deliberate, and that also conforms to my past experiences with you.

[Political Junkie Too]

The original Constitution and the 12th Amendment were explicitly written to prevent states from stalling the presidential election process.

And the 20th amendment gave Congress the process to deal with the "failure to qualify" of either or both of the President and Vice President within that same timeframe.

Why does nobody want to include the 20th amendment's election process when discussing Article II and the 12th amendment? It's just as relevant as the others, but it seems to be kryptonite.

At the time of the joint session of Congress to open the Electoral College votes, the 20th amendment could have been invoked, declaring that Biden and Harris "failed to qualify," and that the Congress would either appoint someone to act as President in the interim, or just keep the current President in office until the qualifications are resolved. That would have been an entirely constitutional thing to do via the 20th.

We're past that now, but it would have been the thing to do at the time.

-PJ

[erlayman]

Well we will see. Most likely he will be forced to resign first. The list of impeachable offenses is going to be a mile long. The most open and shut case is American history.

[Dr. Franklin]

This idea of giving “10 days to look into fraud” is like “15 days to flatten the curve.” The original Constitution and the 12th Amendment were explicitly written to prevent states from stalling the presidential election process.

Not quite. The "original constitution", meaning Article I, Sec. 1, Clause 4 did not set the date for the Electoral College to meet. That was simply left for Congress to determine, as was when and how to count the votes. Nor did the "original constitution" set the time for the start and finish of the president's term. Washington was not inaugurated until April 30, 1789. By statute from 1792, the president's term was set to begin on March 4, 1793. That remained the law until the Twentieth Amendment was approved.

I must agree with Political Junkie Too. The Twentieth Amendment provides for a "caretaker" president should the electoral vote count hang for some reason. All of the confusion comes from state legislatures passing the buck to state executive branch officials to certify election results. The state legislatures have simply shirked their constitutional responsibility in this regard. It is certainly more reasonable to demand that they concur or object to the certification of presidential electors to end any needless confusion and delay.

[DoodleDawg]

Most likely he will be forced to resign first. The list of impeachable offenses is going to be a mile long. The most open and shut case is American history.

That's what the Democrats said about Trump's two impeachments and what the Republicans said about Clinton's. How did that work out?