Posted on 06/13/2021 10:48:08 AM PDT by Starman417
Earlier in the week I asked the question: What if Proof of 2020 Presidential Election Fraud Develops? In it I mentioned a number of remedies that have been widely talked about from impeachment to a Pentagon coup to rioting in the streets.
None of those is an ideal solution. Indeed, the first wouldn’t correct the problem, the second would turn the United States into a third world banana republic and the last would bring about a modern version of the bloody chaos that characterized post revolutionary France.
No, an ideal solution would reverse the inauguration of Joe Biden and inaugurate Donald Trump as the rightful president and do so while maintaining our Constitutional Republic.
As such, there is another option that could theoretically do that, and thanks to TV shows from Perry Mason to Law & Order it’s based on concepts most Americans are familiar with: “fraud vitiates everything” and “fruit of the poison tree”. The former, based on the Supreme Court ruling UNITED STATES v. THROCKMORTON (98 US 61 – Supreme Court 1878); states that “There is no question of the general doctrine that fraud vitiates the most solemn contracts, documents, and even judgments.” That essentially means that in contracts – and an election is nothing if not a contract – fraud makes them invalid. Everyone knows if you sign a contract based on fraudulent information, that contract is invalid. Further, from that comes “void ab initio” which means that fraud from the beginning taints everything resulting from it. No doubt most of us have heard a TV lawyer seeking to throw out evidence against their client because the search itself or the information upon which the warrant was based, was fraudulent. It’s called the doctrine of “Fruit of a poison tree” from NARDONE V. UNITED STATES, (308 U.S. 338 – Supreme Court 1939) which states that if a tree is poisonous, so too is its fruit. (H/T to Andrea Widburg, Donna Palen and Al Simon)
All of this means that once the fraud is demonstrated, the election is invalid; Joe Biden is legally not president and every action of the Biden administration has undertaken is void as if it never happened. That of course has never been done in a presidential election but it’s occurred a handful of times in lower elections. The fly in the ointment of course is that all of this it requires a court, and eventually the Supreme Court to rule that the election was indeed fraudulent. Given the Supreme Court’s general (but very selective) reluctance to wade into political areas – particularly highly volatile ones – and this particular Court’s demonstrated cowardice, it’s unlikely that they would even consider the matter.
Which I think, leaves us with this: If the Constitution provides no specific remedy to the bastardization of the Constitution itself, something new must be done. As the Founding Fathers did in 1776, it may be necessary to rewrite the playbook. And that rewritten playbook, while not a new Declaration of Independence, is a tentative Pact of Secession. This pact would be among the states whose rightful votes should have gone to Donald Trump. These states should make it clear that the rights of their citizens to a Constitutional federal government have been infringed upon and if Congress does not remedy the situation they will, in unison, secede.
This Pact would not literally be secession… it would be the announcement of a proposed action that Congress would have the opportunity to avoid by rectifying the demonstrated Constitutional deficits of the 2020 election. The reality is there is no blueprint for rectifying those deficits, but that is because Congress, the states and the Supreme Court allowed an unconstitutional inauguration to occur in the first place. Nonetheless, the theft of the highest office in the land simply cannot stand.
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Pelosi will get right on that.
Not yet. But if it happens, DeSantis and Abbott would meet with their state legislatures and then vote to secede. It would be like the Former Soviet Republics leaving the Soviet Union.
The ultimate authority — short of God — is we the people. If the election was lost because of fraud, we simply tell Joe to leave.
Texas already talked about it and it’s an ongoing discussion.
Those of us in the West have had enough of the Invasion.
The coup was and is basically about sustaining mass immigration, i.e. Invasion so as to bolster the now numerically irrelevant Democrat party...which aborted and contracepted itself out of existence, and so needs to import votes, or manufacture them.
Secession is legal and declared so in the Declaration. We seceded from the English monarchy previously, and the Right to do so is spelled out in detail there. Under the current dictatorship - and it is nothing more then that - we have every right to foment secession and possibly establish a new federation. Let the Italian Catholic and her Jewish Marxist insurrectionists attempt to stop it: what would be their legal objection? You have to endure our criminality?
See my tag line
Arizona results. Due next week.
First EVER forensic audit.
Start of an avalanche. Like the explosives charge
For those who missed that installment. 8>)
If the 10 biggest states that Trump carried in '16 were to issue a joint resolution that would be monumental. Anything less wouldn't accomplish much.
Yup!
Excellent find.
Some here on the threads today need to read the above.
Good series, but I still don’t think it would happen peacefully, nor would they allow us to secede peacefully either.
Establishing fact and historical accuracy is ALWAYS worth pursuing for it’s own sake, irrespective of any other consideration.
If the truth casts doubt on the legitimacy of this criminal, destructive, and tyrannically inclined regime, then so much the better.
But there is a constitutional way that Trump could be reinstated. This method is utterly unlikely and improbable, because it would involve a regard for honor and integrity that the ruthless, unscrupulous and evil DEMONRATS are utterly devoid of. But were it to be coupled with the threat of criminal indictment for crimes against the state due to willful complicity with massive electoral fraud or other such adjudication, then it might have an outside chance. (VERY outside, I admit)
On Oct 10 1973, while facing charges of corruption and tax evasion, Spiro Agnew resigned the vice presidency, and President Nixon appointed Gerald Ford to the position. We all know what happened subsequently when Richard Nixon was facing a bi-partisan impeachment over Watergate. Ford became POTUS.
Similarly, envision Harris being compelled to resign after actual evidence has established beyond any doubt that massive electoral fraud has occurred, along with the already well established constitutional violations involving the Article II elector process and state legislative authority; and a revelation that Trump was actually the electoral victor. Harris is compelled to resign, whether because of pressure from potential prosecution, or because she has been “convinced” that her resignation is in the best interests of the nation. Biden, under overwhelming pressure to avoid the joint, appoints Trump as VP to avoid prosecution. Biden then resigns, and Trump becomes POTUS legally and constitutionally.
Again, all this relies upon the electoral fraud being established and widely accepted, (which I believe will ultimately occur) and a certain measure of honor and integrity from the least likely possessors of it in the nation, the DEMONRATS. So like others here who engage in wild speculation, I am simply posing food for thought.
But notice, there IS a way for Trump to be reinstated, (if not by August) no matter how unlikely, and it seems to me to be a better solution then one arrived at by force of arms.
There is a high likelihood that Trump may have received as many as 85 million votes. Imagine the political pressure from just 10% of this pissed off electorate, in possession of solid evidence that the election had been stolen from them by the connivance of foreign state actors and corrupt Blue State DEMONRATS.
Again, the ascension of Gerald Ford to the presidency was as unlikely a political event as any in history, until the threat of punitive adjudication forced two executive branch resignations.
No matter what, we must NEVER stop trying to arrive at the truth of this greatest fraud in US history.
People said that about the Obama birth certificate or the natural born citizen thing, but it didn't happen.
In the unlikely event that courts do intervene, they would order another election. The courts wouldn't put Trump in the White House, and they definitely wouldn't invalidate everything Biden did.
But none of that is going to happen. Biden has the oligarchy, the bureaucracy, the media, and half the country behind him.
You’re comparing apples to oranges. we never proved that Obama was in fact a usurper.
I would say that there is a much different solution.
First, what does the US or other major country do, when it feels that there has been an illegal election in another country? Usually, the US puts sanctions on the country and demands, that the Government be dissolved and a new election occur quickly to establish a legitimate government.
If policies and actions need to be “undone” they can be changed by the duly elected government.
My hope would be that a few states if they find that the election results were illegally changed, would declare such, put the people responsible on trial, change their electoral vote declaration sent to Congress, and issue a vote of no confidence toward the President and Vice President. Hopefully, enough so that there would be crisis in Government and a new and special general election would be called.
Would probably lead to endless repetitive legal actions claiming fraud by all losing parties, ie, Clinton in 2016
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Unless Trump is reinstated as president, its the ONLY solution.
A confederacy (yeah THAT word), of states and counties who would elect Trump as at a minimum, an interim President.
We could vie for counties that would connect our new states (new, because states would incorporate counties from neighboring states and divest of looney liberal counties within their states).
People could literally move to counties we would want to acquire.
The left would be left with the big city and surrounding counties with all their problems. Crime, COVID, unemployment, poor tax base.
Our current problems CAN NOT BE FIXED!
EVERYTHING IS AGAINST US!
Its time to “fold em’, and deal a new hand from a new deck!
Just make our new country like our old country used to be. For God and country.
ITS TIME!
There has already been one of the most strict violations of the US Constitution by the illegal acts committed by states by changing election law which resulted in this fraud.
Chief Justice Roberts violated the compact by refusing to hear the case.
Therefore, no equal protection, no union of states. The contract is null and void.
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