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Are EVs as ‘Green’ as They Appear
Not a Lot of People Know That ^ | 06/05/21 | Paul Homewood

Posted on 06/05/2021 5:12:54 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX

Yet another study finds that “whole of life” carbon footprint of electric cars is little different to conventional cars:

April 14th 2021, Jefferies published a research note entitled “Are EVs as ‘Green’ as They Appear?” in which they conclude an electric vehicle must be driven 200,000 km (or 124,000 miles) before its “whole of life” carbon emissions equals that of an internal combustion engine.

Their analysis is very similar to ours and details the tremendous amount of energy (and by extension CO2) needed to manufacture a lithium-ion battery. Moreover, they point out that a typical EV is on average 50% heavier than a similar internal combustion engine, requiring more steel and aluminium in the frame. They conclude the “embedded carbon” in an EV (i.e., when it rolls off the lot) is therefore 20–50% more than an internal combustion engine.

Our analysis suggests a modern lithium-ion battery has approximately 135,000 miles of range before it degrades to the point of becoming unusable. An extended-range Tesla Model 3 has an 82 kWh battery and consumes approximately 29 kWh per 100 miles. Assuming each charge cycle has a ~95% round-trip efficiency and a battery can achieve 500 cycles before starting to degrade, we conclude a Model 3 can drive 134,310 miles before dramatically losing range. Incidentally, Tesla’s Model 3 warranty covers the battery for the lesser of eight years or 120,000 miles and does not apply until the battery has degraded by at least 30%. If the Jefferies analysis is correct (and we believe it is), then an EV will reach carbon-emission parity with an internal-combustion vehicle just as its battery requires replacement. This will come as a huge disappointment for those believing that EV adoption will have significant impacts on CO2 reduction.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Science
KEYWORDS: 41stparallelpeople; 41stparallelsouth; automotive; carbon; electric; electriccars; eloithink; eloithinkonparade; energy; ev; eveloi; globalwarming; greenenergy; pollution
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Environmentalism was always about ruining our capitalist economy. It has nothing to do with science.
1 posted on 06/05/2021 5:12:54 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX
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To: Pining_4_TX

“Are EVs as ‘Green’ as They Appear”

No.


2 posted on 06/05/2021 5:13:35 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: kiryandil

Lol, why thank you!


3 posted on 06/05/2021 5:14:44 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX (O Lord, our Lord, how majestic is your name in all the earth! Psalm 8:9)
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To: Pining_4_TX

They are just green enough to convince a bunch of gullible idiots to invest a ton of money in them and their associated infrastructure which they then declare to be actually bad for the environment and demand that it all be torn out. It is all a ruse to waste time and money.


4 posted on 06/05/2021 5:19:58 PM PDT by beef (The Chinese have a little secret—diversity is _not_ a strength.)
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To: Pining_4_TX

Those of us who actually know engineering pretty much had this sussed out a few years back.


5 posted on 06/05/2021 5:20:24 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: Pining_4_TX

The same people who believe the answer is “yes” are the ones who would both believe that climate science is “settled” and that anything which conflicts with their core beliefs is “misinformation”.


6 posted on 06/05/2021 5:21:25 PM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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To: Pining_4_TX

Three reasons consumers will not buy EVs: 1) Limited range 2) No all weather reliability 3) Enviormental disasters


7 posted on 06/05/2021 5:22:01 PM PDT by allendale
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To: beef

Remember when the greenie leftists forced oil companies to add MTBE to gasoline? Then they discovered how dangerous it is and insisted oil companies remove it. Somehow they then managed to lay the blame on oil companies for using it in the first place.


8 posted on 06/05/2021 5:23:11 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX (O Lord, our Lord, how majestic is your name in all the earth! Psalm 8:9)
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To: allendale

Nobody wants to talk about how to dispose of all the spent batteries in a few years. Even now, there is a real problem with what to do with worn out solar panels. Environmental nuts are ruining this country, but that is their goal.


9 posted on 06/05/2021 5:24:45 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX (O Lord, our Lord, how majestic is your name in all the earth! Psalm 8:9)
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To: kiryandil

I don’t really care how “green” they are. Mine is cheaper to operate than a gas car.

A kilowatt is 25 cents and gets me 4 miles. That is 16 miles to the dollar, and gas is 4 dollars. Gas takes my wife’s car 32 miles for 4 dollars, my electric gets me 64 miles for a dollar. Even the expensive recharge options get me 48 miles for 4 dollars.

Maintenance is pretty much rotating the tires and adding windshield washer fuel. Brakes last longer because of regenerative braking. You can’t get an oil change, even if you want one. I replaced two tires because I ran over screws driving behind Home Depot. Never drive behind Home Depot.

As far as the lithium battery is concerned, I feel a little bad about that. Mine has a lifetime warranty, and also a recall to have the battery replaced outright. I have just over 20,000 miles on it and I will have a brand new 64 kilowatt battery probably before 25,000 miles.

Green, schmeen. I love the peppy response and quick acceleration. I mostly loved the financial incentives like 2500 from California, 7500 from the Federal Government, and 600 from my local utility.


10 posted on 06/05/2021 5:29:03 PM PDT by webheart (I already had COVID disease and 2 vaccine shots Can I take the mask off now?)
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To: Pining_4_TX

“Nobody wants to talk about how to dispose of all the spent batteries in a few years.”

That is because they are recycled!


11 posted on 06/05/2021 5:32:54 PM PDT by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: Pining_4_TX

Don’t forget the environmental impact of worn out wind turbines.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8294057/Hundreds-non-recyclable-fiberglass-wind-turbine-blades-pictured-piling-landfills.html


12 posted on 06/05/2021 5:33:23 PM PDT by Fresh Wind (Der Impfstoff macht frei.)
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To: Pining_4_TX

Not to mention thousands of old wind turbine blades.


13 posted on 06/05/2021 5:33:35 PM PDT by beethovenfan (Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: TexasGator

“A kilowatt is 25 cents”

My kilowatt is 12.5 cents. Less on night rates.


14 posted on 06/05/2021 5:34:28 PM PDT by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: webheart

Would you have bought it without someone else paying for a large part of it?


15 posted on 06/05/2021 5:36:35 PM PDT by Fungi
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To: Pining_4_TX

Nothing we do to “reduce emissions” will have the slightest effect on the “climate”,
since China and India are operating many hundreds of coal-fired power plants and are going to build many more. “Climate” is world-wide.


16 posted on 06/05/2021 5:36:40 PM PDT by beethovenfan (Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: Pining_4_TX

“Our analysis suggests a modern lithium-ion battery has approximately 135,000 miles of range before it degrades to the point of becoming unusable.”\


Being wrong on this ‘suggestion’ nullifies the whole article.

https://www.carfax.com/blog/how-long-does-the-battery-last-in-an-electric-car

According to a survey conducted by the organization Plug In America, the battery pack in the Tesla Model S only loses about 5 percent of its capacity over the first 50,000 miles on the road, on average, and that rate slows down as additional miles are put on the odometer. Tesla reports that in its own controlled testing, the Model S batteries retained 80 percent of their range after running for a simulated 500,000 miles.


17 posted on 06/05/2021 5:41:12 PM PDT by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: Pining_4_TX

The best part of that was when they were forced to add MTBE they had to raise the price, then when they took it out, well then, they had to raise the price to get rid of it.


18 posted on 06/05/2021 5:46:27 PM PDT by CA_soon_gone
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To: Pining_4_TX

Odd that the article doesn’t mention the fuel used to generate the electricity to charge the cars. The the end of the article, there is this little PS: “To read more on this subject, including a section on photovoltaic solar power, we encourage you to download the full commentary, available below.”

This seems to suggest that the cars will be charged using solar-generated electricity. But that is a whole ‘nother can of worms as it only works during the daytime without clouds. You need HUGE batteries to store solar at night and today’s entire battery storage infrastructure in the USA would power the grid for less than a minute.


19 posted on 06/05/2021 5:52:24 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom (“No man’s life, liberty or property are safe while the Legislature is in session" - Gideon J. Tucker)
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To: Pining_4_TX

Nope.

The energy usage in producing *green energy* products is incredible.


20 posted on 06/05/2021 6:02:04 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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