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6 Dead, Dying, and Soon-To-Be-Obsolete Handgun Cartridges
fieldandstream.com ^ | May 14, 2021 | Richard Mann

Posted on 05/24/2021 11:30:29 AM PDT by PROCON

Throughout history, many different handgun cartridges have been introduced. And there are many reasons cartridges find the graveyard. Some have lived long lives, others have had short but great runs, and some were doomed from birth to have an unloved existence. On this list, there are handgun loads that were bad ideas from the beginning and those that never lived up to their name. But, somewhere there’s someone, his two uncles, and their mother-in-law, who care about each and every one of them. Still, it doesn’t matter. With these cartridges, a little bit of love isn’t enough. These rounds are, or will soon be, about as dead as dead gets.

1. The 32 ACP: Lingering but unloved.

The .32 ACP has been overshadowed by the .380. Richard Mann

Though it was the original sidearm of secret agent James Bond, even the Walther PPK can’t turn the .32 ACP into anything reasonably approaching a decent self-defense cartridge. However, in 1899 when it was introduced, it was well regarded, and since then it may have been chambered in more handgun models than any other cartridge. At one time, the little .32 ACP was very popular, especially in Europe, where its one true claim to fame is being the cartridge that killed Adolf Hitler. But in 1908, when the .380 ACP was introduced, it began putting nails in the .32 ACP’s coffin. Today that coffin is well sealed and all but buried. James Bond has moved on to other handguns and cartridges, and the rest of the world should follow his lead.

2. The .25 Auto: Better off with a shovel.

You’d have to be pretty optimistic to rely on a .25 Auto for self defense. Richard Mann

John Browning is possibly our greatest firearms designer. Not only did he give us the 1911 pistol, the 1894 Winchester rifle, and the Browning Auto-5 shotgun, he’s also responsible for the .45 Auto, and 50 BMG cartridges. But, in 1905 John Browning gave us something we would have probably been better off without—the .25 Auto. Its 45-grain bullet at 800 fps is anemic by any measure; a .22 Magnum is more powerful. My grandfather told me that back during prohibition when he was running shine, he watched a man empty a magazine of .25 Auto ammo into another man’s torso. That other man then went to his truck, got a shovel, and used that shovel to beat his attacker to death. And there you have it; you’re better off with a shovel than a .25 Auto. It wasn’t a good idea 116 years ago, and nothing has changed.

3. The .41 Magnum: The compromise no one wanted.

The .41 Magnum is the Goldilocks cartridge nobody is interested in anymore. Richard Mann

Introduced in 1964, the .41 Magnum was intended to be the ideal hunting handgun cartridge. It was also thought that cops who couldn’t handle .44 Mangum recoil would find it more appealing than the .357 Magnum. With support from the great Elmer Keith, the .41 Magnum was supposed to bridge the gap between the .357 and .44 Magnums. Though a few police departments adopted it, and a handful of hunters seemed to love it, it never fully developed any mass appeal. Today, with the proliferation of 10mm pistols and revolvers that offer great terminal performance with less recoil, it would appear that the .41 Magnum is headed for extinction. The .357 Magnum is easier to shoot, the .44 Magnum hits harder, and there’s just not enough Elmer Keith disciples left to appreciate or really need the compromise the .41 Magnum offers.

4. The .32 H&R Magnum: Not magnum enough.

The .32 H&R Magnum just doesn’t have enough oomph to keep handgun hunters’ attention. Richard Mann

Introduced in 1982, the .32 H&R Magnum was a wonderful addition to Ruger’s Single Six. It offered more power than the .22 LR and the .22 Magnum, and it did not increase the size of the revolver. Unfortunately, as the .327 Federal Magnum has shown, the increase in power the .32 H&R Magnum offered was less than it should have been. The .32 H&R did develop a cult-like following, but it has struggled to survive since it was birthed. Common 85-grain .32 H&R Magnum loads have a muzzle velocity of about 1100 fps and generate about 220 foot-pounds of energy. By comparison, a 100-grain .327 Federal Magnum load has a velocity of about 1500 fps and will generate 500 foot-pounds of energy. Even though .32 H&R Magnum ammunition makes great light-recoiling practice loads for the fire-breathing .327, by itself it just never was “magnum” enough. Since it’s based on the .32 S&W Long, maybe a better name for it would have been the “.32 Extra Long.”

5. The .40 S&W: The FBI kills its own baby.

The once-popular .40 S&W is fading into the background. Richard Mann

A 1986 shootout in Miami left the FBI looking to swap the 9mm for another duty cartridge. Maybe the FBI was partly influenced by suave Miami Vice character Sonny Crocket who carried a Bren Ten, but they ended up choosing the 10mm and a new service pistol, the S&W Model 1076. Ultimately, the Bureau had issues with the Model 1076, and they settled on the 40 S&W, which is essentially a 10mm short. This new .40-caliber cartridge could use high-capacity magazines like a 9mm and hit hard like a .45 Auto. The cartridge took law enforcement by storm, and soon cops and concealed carriers nationwide had the ultimate compromise cartridge. But nothing lasts forever. Shooters struggled to get good hits with the .40, and years of ammunition development advanced the lighter-recoiling 9mm’s terminal performance. In 2015, the FBI returned to the cartridge that failed them in 1986 and essentially killed the .40 S&W. Ironically, as the cartridge fades into forgottenness, its father—the 10mm—is once again climbing to stardom.


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To: PROCON

.40 S&W rocks!


21 posted on 05/24/2021 11:45:12 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Magnum44

“...Maybe for the first four, but I think 40 S&W is not going anywhere....”

Agree. Lots and lots of .40S&W pistols out there. They can be a tad “snappy” but with a little practice, they’re not that hard to control and get decent hits with.
As stated, the 9mm ammo has come a long ways over the years, and I’ve been known to carry one in the hot summer months as it’s just a little easier to conceal.
Personally, I rather prefer anything that starts with .4 in my handguns for close-in self defense though.


22 posted on 05/24/2021 11:47:28 AM PDT by lgjhn23 (Pray for America....)
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To: thegagline

I just really like that I have been able to find it on a regular basis. We must have some unwritten family rule that we can’t have any two weapons that use the same ammo (unless it’s something that my kids can “borrow” from me). I don’t remember that decision being made, but here we are.


23 posted on 05/24/2021 11:48:18 AM PDT by cdcdawg (It's all so tiresome.)
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To: KeyLargo

Me too, a Glock and Bersa in 40.


24 posted on 05/24/2021 11:50:25 AM PDT by Mouton (The enemy of the people is the media.)
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To: Magnum44

I think there are just way too many 40’s out there, and it will be widely available for a long, long time. 40 S&W is still the 3rd or 4th best selling handgun caliber. Either way, as new as it is, almost all pistols that are chambered in 40 S&W can very easily be converted to 357 sig and/or 9mm with off the shelf parts in a few minutes. Which begs the question, why is 357 sig not on this list?


25 posted on 05/24/2021 11:50:35 AM PDT by ETCM
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To: Magnum44
40 S&W is not going anywhere

Just based on the sheer number of handguns that have been sold in that caliber, you are correct. Even if manufacturers stop producting the guns altogether, those existing .40's still need to be fed, and ammo producers will continue to be all too happy to fill that market need.

26 posted on 05/24/2021 11:51:54 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (They intend to murder us. Prep if you want to live and live like you are prepping for eternal life)
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To: DarthVader

I hope so too.

I think I’ll try to round up a few boxes of 41 mags anyway. All of the ammo I have for that weapon is over twenty years old.


27 posted on 05/24/2021 11:55:19 AM PDT by phoneman08 (qwiyrqweopigradfdzcm,.dadfjl,dz )
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To: PROCON
6 Dead, Dying, and Soon-To-Be-Obsolete Handgun Cartridges

LOL!! The author must have had a deadline PLUS terminal writer's block, to put together that load of horse manure...

;^)

28 posted on 05/24/2021 11:57:54 AM PDT by Who is John Galt? (Joe & Jill went up the hill to screw the country over...)
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To: mylife
.40 S&W rocks!

THE 10MM ROCKS!

.40 S&W = .40 Short & Weak

29 posted on 05/24/2021 12:00:45 PM PDT by MikeSteelBe (The South will be in the right in the next war of Northern aggression.)
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To: Magnum44

I assume there are too many .40’s out there for them to go away fast. Maybe in a few decades.


30 posted on 05/24/2021 12:00:55 PM PDT by cuban leaf (We killed our economy and damaged our culture. In 2021 we will pine for the salad days of 2020.)
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To: coloradan

I’ve heard that you can stop a 9mm with a lot of layers of clothing. I suspect that the 25 auto is only useful in the summer against people in a t-shirt.


31 posted on 05/24/2021 12:02:56 PM PDT by cuban leaf (We killed our economy and damaged our culture. In 2021 we will pine for the salad days of 2020.)
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To: Magnum44

I work part time in a gun shop.
40 S&W is going away.
10mm is gaining popularity.


32 posted on 05/24/2021 12:06:49 PM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizens Are Born Here of Citizen Parents)(Know Islam, No Peace - No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: Who is John Galt?
The author must have had a deadline PLUS terminal writer's block, to put together that load of horse manure...

Agreed, he does seem to have some obvious biases, still an interesting discussion.

33 posted on 05/24/2021 12:07:15 PM PDT by PROCON (Our rights do not come from government, therefore they cannot take them away.)
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To: ETCM

Why is the 357 Sig not on the list? Because it is an outstanding fighting cartridge for those who can afford it and control it. It is quite simply a better mousetrap, if one is not a weak female or wimpy soy-fed male shooter.


34 posted on 05/24/2021 12:08:06 PM PDT by SharpenedEdge (Stockpile. Prepare. Arm. Train. A Storm is coming.)
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To: PROCON

32 acp is going to be around for a long time. It was highly popular especially in Europe and there are a LOT of handguns in that caliber still floating around.


35 posted on 05/24/2021 12:10:42 PM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: PROCON
Glad I stuck with my 9mm back when 40s were all the rage. The .25 was a good backup back in my LEO days, but of no real practical value ever since. Just a cute sexy little fun sized toy.
36 posted on 05/24/2021 12:13:52 PM PDT by Manic_Episode ( “Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in pursuit of justice is no virtue.”)
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To: Who is John Galt?

He never even made it to the sixth one.


37 posted on 05/24/2021 12:13:58 PM PDT by HartleyMBaldwin
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To: ETCM
Which begs the question, why is 357 sig not on this list?

Bingo. The author is probably a SIG guy, and maybe a 10mm fan also - which is why .40S&W is listed instead (even though sales of .357SIG & 10mm handguns/ammo are a just a tiny fraction of .40S&W sales ;^)...

38 posted on 05/24/2021 12:17:39 PM PDT by Who is John Galt? (Joe & Jill went up the hill to screw the country over...)
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To: HartleyMBaldwin

10mm is best millimeter.

I think my Dad still has my Grandmother’s old .25. Good for scaring rabbits out of here strawberries and not much else...


39 posted on 05/24/2021 12:17:43 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (A Psalm in napalm...)
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To: thegagline

Thank you for that data!
I always wondered what went through his brain, beside the bullet was, “How did I lose”!(Re; “Shawshank Redemption”).


40 posted on 05/24/2021 12:18:13 PM PDT by GOYAKLA
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