Posted on 05/21/2021 9:37:45 AM PDT by Dr. Franklin
UPDATE 1115 EST – Judge orders ballots unsealed. Parties to appear at ballot storage location 10am May 28th. Ballots will be scanned at 600 dpi or higher. Protocol to be determined.
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In an ongoing hearing, Henry County, GA judge, the Honorable Brian J. Amero may give access to the plaintiffs (VoterGA.org, Garland Favorito, and another plaintiff) to the physical mail-in ballots in Fulton County, which could show massive election fraud in GA during the 2020 presidential election cycle, and the follow-on runoff that decided control of the U.S. Senate for the Democrat Party, leading to full control of the American government.
In the hearing, lawyers for VoterGA.org described large discrepancies (21%) between the number of ballot batches reported by the GA Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger who certified the election, and the number of ballot batches actually provided by court-ordered access in the previous April hearing in the case.
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I could say the same thing. Hmmm.
I guess you only believe in the Constitution when it's convenient for you.
Well said !
We need these audits to fix our elections and show the Election was stolen. We’re not talking about removing Biden.
Without free elections - we're a totalitarian hellhole... we agree on that...
That said, the 'reward for massive voter fraud' can NOT be the Presidency. If Biden didn't win, then Biden has to step down.
The results changing and there being no pathway to change the results are two different things.
Election results have been overturned by the courts. It stands to reason that the same could extend to the courts and the electors, who voted based on fraudulent information.
I believe there is a pathway but I also believe that the courts, all the way up to the Supreme Court have clearly demonstrated that they don't have the courage.
Let's not mistake a lack of resolve with there being no pathway.
So what will come from these audits?
Biden's presidency could become politically illegitimate in the eyes of the American people, making it harder for the Democrat Congress and Biden to pass their radical agenda.
It could also make it harder for the Democrats to commit the same fraud in 2022 and 2024.
I agree 100%. I want to be able to unequivocally rub the schiff deeply into the faces of anyone that ever claims there is 'no widespread election fraud in the US' as well as forcing elections boards to fix their garbage systems.
> And the archivist for the US Congress produces the Electoral College ballots for the 2020 election, each bearing the name of state-certified EC electors. And the Supreme Court says “Thank you!”
And the States produce their decertification of those Electors along with a Petition for Writ and the USSC puts it on the docket.
> “The end.”
Wrong.
you come across so odd when you continually single out FR participants as nuts. cut the crap
> “All those people have repeatedly been wrong in their prognostications”
What people and progno’s are you referring to?
If you’re referring to people saying there would be a full forensic audit of AZ, well, here we are.
If you’re referring to people saying there would be a full forensic audit of GA, well, here we are.
If you’re referring to people saying there would be a full forensic audit of MI, well, stand by and stay tuned.
If you’re referring to people saying there would be a full forensic audit of NH, well, stand by and stay tuned.
If you’re referring to people saying there would be a full forensic audit of ten other states, well, stand by and stay tuned.
I believe in fair and honest elections.
I believe the person who won the Presidency according to the rules laid out in our Constitution is the winner.
I believe if Democrats cheated to put Biden into office and Trump received more votes (according to the way we count votes) that Biden must do the honorable thing and step down.
I believe if we give a pass to democrats for cheating that the next round of voter fraud will be worse - there’s NOTHING in the Constitution about rewarding criminal behavior because it’s ‘easier’...
I believe rewarding crime brings about more crime, more voter fraud, and less respect for the Constitution. It
s a threat to our freedom.
THERE IS NOTHING IN THE CONSTITUTION THAT SAYS IF A PERSON IS PLACED IN OFFICE BY MISTAKE OR BY FRAUD, THAT THEY GET TO STAY IN OFFICE.
OK, YoYo - pick one or several or all of the above and tell me WHY you disagree... and leave out the platitudes about ‘you believe in democracy’ as if I don’t. Because I do... Powerless people believe in our system - it’s the ‘elites’ who know their power increases as the Constitution weakens.
But he did win; the Electoral College. The Electoral College ballots elect the President of the United States. You and I do not. Our votes only ever count for anything because the states we live in allow those votes to count. There is no requirement that we have a vote for our president.
Again, the states could choose Electoral College electors via random lottery system or American Gladiators competition. It’s totally up to them. Once those electors are chosen and the ballots are cast, that’s it. That’s the end of that election.
I would gladly - gleefully - see President Trump back in the White House. But if that’s going to happen, it won’t be before the next election. Expose the fraud and fix the vulnerabilities in the system so that all FUTURE elections have fair and free outcomes. This past election is over; fix the SYSTEM.
Here we agree 100%. This should be the entire focus at this point. I would also add that if widespread fraud can be conclusively demonstrated to the public, there will be a massive backlash against the Democratic Party in the next couple of elections up and down the ballot from the state legislatures to the next presidential election. Combine that with secure voting and vote counting and you've got a recipe for a massive swing to the right in this country.
Nobody likes a cheat.
> “Focusing on fantasy legal scenarios where the US Supreme Court removes a sitting US President and installs another in his stead is fruitless and takes attention away from the real work that needs to be done.”
Seems both of you can’t walk and chew gum at the same time.
Of course widespread state legislature decertifications accompanying a Petition for Writ will ADD, not take away, from election integrity reform.
At this minute the AZ legislature is preparing election integrity reform legislation and the audit is helping pressure that forward. Joining other states in a Petition for Writ before the USSC is performed by joining in appointing a law firm to carry it forward on behalf of a consortium of states having the same purpose. This is not at all a “taking away” from state legislative effort to reform elections.
I think what both of you mean to say is you can’t handle more than one issue at a time and therefore label as ‘fantasy’ efforts taken by those with superior facts and knowledge. Shame on you.
Ummm, the electoral college vote is correlated by law with the popular vote PER STATE . Obviously I'm not talking about that stupid liberal idea... I'm staying with the founders on this one... You're smart enough to know that's not the issue we're talking about so why bring it up?
If voter fraud is sufficient to change the outcome of the electoral college decision - THAT'S THE ISSUE ON THE TABLE.
If it is Biden must step down...
A legitimately elected president, yes, which Biden isn't.
Since when does one gain legal rights from committing a theft?
State laws vary by state. The only Supreme Court cases on the issue are Chiafalo v. Washington and Colorado Department of State v. Baca. The Washington case affirmed that faithless electors can be fined by the state for choosing to vote for someone else. The Colorado case affirmed the power of the state to preemptively replace a faithless elector.
In the 2020 election, no electors were replaced. There is no legal provision for states to come back - months after the fact - and decertify electors. And Georgia doesn’t even require electors to vote with the election results anyway. (https://law.justia.com/codes/georgia/2019/title-21/chapter-2/article-12/section-21-2-499/). Arizona’s state law only covers faithless electors who “knowingly refuses” to cast a ballot in accordance with the results certified by the secretary of state. (https://www.azleg.gov/viewdocument/?docName=https://www.azleg.gov/ars/16/00212.htm) So even if an Arizona elector believed there was fraud, if they had decided to cast their ballot for President Trump, they would have been immediately removed and replaced per the state law.
There is no legal pathway to reverse the results of the 2020 election. Focus on exposing the fraud that happened. Focus on making sure it never happens again. That is achievable.
Bttt.
5.56mm
Preach it, brother! This is for all the marbles. “If not us, then who? If not now, then when?”
So do I. It is my sincerest hope that when the fraud is uncovered, that those persons who committed the fraud are prosecuted and punished to the fullest extent of the law.
I believe the person who won the Presidency according to the rules laid out in our Constitution is the winner.
So do I. The key here is "according to the rules laid out in our Constitution." State elections were certified, Electors met and voted, those votes were transmitted to Congress, and those votes were unsealed and counted, and the winner was certified by Congress and took the Oath of Office. If it later turns out that the entire process was corrupted by fraud, then the Constitution provides the means to correct the error.
I believe if Democrats cheated to put Biden into office and Trump received more votes (according to the way we count votes) that Biden must do the honorable thing and step down.
So do I. However, if and when he does, Harris will become President, not Trump.
I believe if we give a pass to democrats for cheating that the next round of voter fraud will be worse - there’s NOTHING in the Constitution about rewarding criminal behavior because it’s ‘easier’...
So do I. However, there's a whole lot of space between "giving a pass to Democrats for cheating" and "nullify the election and declare Trump the winner." And it is that space in-between the two extremes that we are debating. My views on the matter were covered above. Biden does the honorable thing and resigns, and the perpetrators of the massive fraud are identified, charged, tried, and convicted. And once we identify the specific mechanisms used to commit the election fraud, safeguards are put in place to reduce or eliminate the opportunity for committing similar fraud in future elections.
I believe rewarding crime brings about more crime, more voter fraud, and less respect for the Constitution. It s a threat to our freedom.
I agree. That is why we need to first concretely identify the specific fraud that was committed, determine who specifically committed that fraud, and punish the guilty. Just understand that having a court nullify the 2020 elections and hand the Presidency to Trump is not possible under our Constitution, and expecting otherwise is honoring the Constitution by ignoring the Constitution.
THERE IS NOTHING IN THE CONSTITUTION THAT SAYS IF A PERSON IS PLACED IN OFFICE BY MISTAKE OR BY FRAUD, THAT THEY GET TO STAY IN OFFICE.
THE CONSTITUTION SAYS THAT THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY TO REMOVE A SITTING PRESIDENT, AND THAT PROCESS IS EXPLICITLY DESCRIBED UNDER ARTICLE II SECTION 4.
I didn't write that and refer you to my post 86.
Seems both of you can’t walk and chew gum at the same time.
KMA
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