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Covid: Prior infection vs vaccination - Which one provides a higher degree of immunity?
Dr. Sebastian Rushworth, M.D. ^ | 05/13/2021

Posted on 05/13/2021 8:18:04 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: SeekAndFind
Unfortunately, much of what is written on the topic of health and medicine on the internet is just plain wrong.

Remember, a few years ago the editor of the New England Journal of Medicine said that 95% of published medical research is wrong. He blamed this shocking fact on the relentless drive to publish, and the motivation to constantly publish new, novel findings in order to get attention and receive more research funding.

I think “science” has become so corrupted by politics and self-interest that we’d be better off consulting the Magic 8-ball for answers.

21 posted on 05/13/2021 9:23:58 PM PDT by noiseman (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Vaccinating people who have already had covid-19 means delaying vaccination of people who haven’t had it, which means delaying the onset of herd immunity.

Makes perfect sense.

22 posted on 05/13/2021 9:25:31 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: SeekAndFind

What could your immune system possibly hope to learn from a vaccine, that it did not learn from the actual virus?

Like vaccines are some sort of magical wand....vaccines merely gives your immune system some training for war, where the actual virus is war.

I’ll take seasoned combat troops.


23 posted on 05/13/2021 9:26:23 PM PDT by walkingdead (We are sacrificing American youth's future on the altar of our own fear. And it is a travesty.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’ve been using that lancet article for awhile.

I think natural immunity is even higher.

How many of the 78 people who got it “a second time” never got it the first time?

There are many false positives— especially early in the pandemic.

If ten of the 78 people had false positives then natural immunity is much stronger than vaccine immunity.


24 posted on 05/13/2021 9:30:08 PM PDT by lonestar67 (America is exceptional)
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To: mrsmith

What link please.
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https://sebastianrushworth.com/2021/04/24/covid-prior-infection-vs-vaccination/

Relevant findings extract:

“…Ok, let’s get to the results.

Over the course of 2,047,113 days of follow-up in the covid positive group, there were 78 cases of symptomatic covid-19 (by which we mean a positive test + at least one symptom).

Over the course of 2,971,436 days of follow-up in the covid negative group, there were 1,369 cases of symptomatic covid-19.

This works out to a relative risk reduction 0f 92%. For comparison, the Pfizer vaccine trial reported a reduction of 95%, the Moderna trial reported an reduction of 94%, the Astra-Zeneca trial reported a reduction of 70%, and the Johnson&Johnson trial reported a reduction of 67%.

So, on the face of it, prior infection is equivalent to the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines in terms of the level of protection offered, and much better than the Astra-Zeneca vaccine and J&J vaccine. In light of this, it seems completely unnecessary for people who have had covid to get the vaccine.…”


25 posted on 05/13/2021 9:30:50 PM PDT by House Atreides
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To: logi_cal869
92-93% risk reduction for having a prior infection, statistically the same as the faux ‘vaccines’.

It is 0% risk reduction for not getting that "prior infection." Getting infected will allow you to build immunity but the point of vaccination is to not get infected in the first place and stop the virus from spreading.

26 posted on 05/13/2021 9:31:04 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: SeekAndFind

And the more a virus spreads, the more variants can emerge. that is why it is best to give it fewer places to go and replicate.


27 posted on 05/13/2021 9:33:34 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: SeekAndFind

I’ve also stated that I’ll pit my natural acquired immunity against any person having got the shot, in an infectious environment of SARS-CoV-2 or any variant, winner take all.

I’ll bet my life on it; thus far, no one else dares (and studies re natural immunity vs. variants are nonexistent).

Gee: I wonder why. /s


28 posted on 05/13/2021 9:36:17 PM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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To: House Atreides

Thanks.
Better than I’d hoped.


29 posted on 05/13/2021 9:36:32 PM PDT by mrsmith (US MEDIA: " Every 'White' cop is a criminal! And all the 'non-white' criminals saints!")
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To: Republican Wildcat
...and stop the virus from spreading.

You parrot a bald-faced lefty lie. Curious, but so goes the hypocrisy of Conservative Covidiots. Studies are ongoing, interspersed with prodigious propaganda, oddly ignoring the prior-infected such as me...the point of citation in my comment.

Your position is well-established, Ms Propagandist, as is your dumbass reply; on the list you go.

30 posted on 05/13/2021 10:00:47 PM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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To: Ladysforest
OK, both my husband and I have had covid ... twice. We had different rates of recovery, but recover we did. We got covid for the second time at nearly 10 months to the day from the onset of the first bout. A friend of mine had a similar experience, only she went 11 months between bouts.

For what it’s worth.


It's worth a lot. There's no substitute for empirical evidence. Thank you for posting your experience.
31 posted on 05/13/2021 10:20:46 PM PDT by definitelynotaliberal (I believe it! He's alive! Sweet Jesus!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Looks good! I normally avoid CNN, but the Red Cross gave the data for the following to CNN. It’s possible that about “20% of blood donations from unvaccinated people had Covid-19 antibodies.” That would imply that we are up to about 70% of the population with antibodies, minus those who had both the infection and vaccinations (whatever that would be).

Covid-19 antibodies present in about 1 in 5 blood donations from unvaccinated people, according to data from the American Red Cross
CNN
By John Bonifield and Deidre McPhillips, CNN
March 16, 2021
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/03/15/health/red-cross-blood-donations-covid-antibodies/index.html


32 posted on 05/14/2021 12:05:20 AM PDT by familyop (Third world slaves are misled to generalize distrust against friendly learners.)
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To: noiseman

“I think “science” has become so corrupted by politics and self-interest that we’d be better off consulting the Magic 8-ball for answers.”

Ask and ye shall receive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cv2_qiCGiSA


33 posted on 05/14/2021 12:07:19 AM PDT by LastDayz (A blunt and brazen Texan. I will not be assimilated.)
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To: House Atreides
"Over the course of 2,047,113 days of follow-up in the covid positive group, there were 78 cases of symptomatic covid-19 (by which we mean a positive test + at least one symptom)."

"2,047,113 days?" That's a whole lot of days. ;)

34 posted on 05/14/2021 12:19:12 AM PDT by familyop (Third world slaves are misled to generalize distrust against friendly learners.)
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To: House Atreides

Oops. Oh, I see—total days for the group. I had a brain cramp. :)


35 posted on 05/14/2021 12:20:39 AM PDT by familyop (Third world slaves are misled to generalize distrust against friendly learners.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
I had COVID in March of 2020.
I have been donating Convalescent Plasma since December 2020.
I still have the antibodies here in May of 2021.
I have been in 3 known hot spots since December of 2020.
The Blood people Vitalant advised me NOT to get vaccinated until testing negative to antibodies
They also told me science says, that, every time I was exposed to it,
my immune system has gotten stronger at battling it.
And I probably will now have immunity for years because of the multiple exposures.

I also have been take (1000mg of C ** 5000IU of D3 ** 50mg of Zinc ** 500mg of Quercetin) daily since April of 2020.

36 posted on 05/14/2021 3:13:00 AM PDT by fedupjohn (Waiting for Trump's new Caribbean Resort "Club Gitmo" to open for business! )
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To: Responsibility2nd

I think your vaccine risk is higher than for someone who has not had covid. I don’t have concrete evidence, just logic. Your bodies immune response already triggers on covid. Introducing spike protein MRNA to cause your body to develop a response seems to me would trigger a higher level of response since you already trigger on it. Kind of like repeated exposure to a minor allergen can cause major allergic reaction. I think vaccinating the naturally immune is a risky proposition.

On top of that your body took a literal Ginsu to the covid virus and developed immunity to hundreds, if not thousands of fragments of the covid virus. The vaccine just targets one variant of the spike protein. Logically your immunity should cover many more variants than the vaccine.


37 posted on 05/14/2021 3:22:55 AM PDT by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget
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To: Jane Long

What is still unsaid is that the mRNA vaxx doesn’t target COVID immunity.
It causes the recipient to create massive amounts of the spike proteins analogous to the spike proteins on the virus payload.
This in turn, triggers an immune response against the proteins and they are pushed into the blood stream and “filtered out” by the liver/kidney.
This is, in many ways, a type of allergy response.
Think of it this way, pollen is a “spiked protein” that irritates the mucous membranes, causing histamines to be generated in large amounts.

The result is:
1. You become immune (allergic?) to YOUR OWN spike proteins, NOT the COVID payload.
2. Your body sheds the spike proteins via waste mechanisms.

People who come in contact with you during this “shedding” period ARE NOT immune to your proteins.
If they are vaxxed, they are immune to \their own\ proteins and /may/ exhibit adverse reactions as they take up spike proteins they are not immune to.
This is also seen in various allergies among the population where some are allergic to pollen but not grass-dust while some are not allergic to anything.

Those with “recovery immunity” do not have a “protein immunity” and can fight off the payload when present with natural system armor such as T-Cells antigens.


38 posted on 05/14/2021 4:06:39 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Patriots, stop looking at the politicians as enemies. Look at the complicit Legacy Media.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Unless one is infected and recovers from the double mutant India virus, whichi has two types of receptors, there would be no copmplete immunity either way.

Soon we will have double and triple mutants, from which there is no immunity.

The development lag will work so that vaccine boosters will not be able to keep up to the mutation cycle.

THAT’S WHY WE NEED TO USE IVERMECTIN THERAPY AS A WAY TO SURVIVE UNTIL BOOSTERS ARE AVAILABLE.

So far Public health agencies around the world cannot chew gum and walk at the same time.

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East Virginia Medical School’s covid treatment protocols include IVM. They have recently joined FLCCC re. covid treatment protocols

Everyone should read these protocols because they work. https://covid19criticalcare.com/

One of the most evil things I’ve seen in my lifetime is the blacklisting of covid treatments that work by the political and media elites.

https://c19early.com/

https://c19legacy.com/
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Sources:

https://www.ziverdo-kit.com

https://dir.indiamart.com/search.mp?ss=Ivermectin&prdsrc=1


39 posted on 05/14/2021 4:17:35 AM PDT by Candor7 ((Obama Fascism:http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html) )
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To: familyop

And 3,679,270 nights!


40 posted on 05/14/2021 4:28:03 AM PDT by gitmo (If your theology doesn't become your biography, what good is it?)
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