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1 posted on 05/13/2021 8:01:05 AM PDT by CharlesOConnell
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Many other versions give witness that Cain implicitly denied God’s power to forgive his sin>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Well. Islam is the same. Forgiveness is optional. Allah is a wrathful god.Unlike Jehovah.


2 posted on 05/13/2021 8:03:23 AM PDT by Candor7 ((Obama Fascism:http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html) )
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To: CharlesOConnell

Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is attributing something done by the Holy Spirit to demons. That occurred when people claimed that Jesus’ miracles, done by the power of the Holy Spirit, were actions of demons.


3 posted on 05/13/2021 8:10:29 AM PDT by lasereye
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To: CharlesOConnell

Not completely.

“Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.”
Matthew 12:31-32, KJV

“Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme: But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation: Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.”
Mark 3:28-30, KJV

And this is an important issue to consider as asking for forgiveness for a sin you do not wish to stop from doing and thus using God as an excuse for being allowed to continue it by God’s forgiveness is blasphemy. Blasphemy is defined, in a religious sense, as a great disrespect shown to God. So repentance is not intended for the purposely continued sinner. Eternal damnation is. Sins may be forgiven only if the sinner wishes to profess and discontinue the wrongdoing, not using God to excuse it and overlook it.

Wy69


4 posted on 05/13/2021 8:18:59 AM PDT by whitney69
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To: CharlesOConnell

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6 posted on 05/14/2021 5:01:33 AM PDT by sauropod (Chance favors the prepared mind.)
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To: CharlesOConnell; ConservativeMind; ealgeone; Mark17; fishtank; boatbums; Luircin; mitch5501; ...
"Genesis 4:13 King James Bible (KJV) - And Cain said unto the LORD, My punishment is greater than I can bear. Brenton Septuagint Translation - And Cain said to the Lord God, My crime is too great for me to be forgiven. Many other versions give witness that Cain implicitly denied God's power to forgive his sin. This despair is identified by Augustine with the unforgivable sin, for final impenitence, unwillingness to ask God for pardon before entering eternity,"

No and no, being a wrong translation and isolationist eisegesis. First the interpretation of the Brenton Septuagint Translation is an outlier and contrary to the context, which has to do with punishment being one that Cain feared would result in his death, which God made to be a capital crime. And sin, though forgiven, has consequences and can result in a definite chastisement from God in this life and suffering the loss of rewards in the next . at the judgment seat of Christ (and implicitly His grievous displeasure, yet who will wipe away every tear). A pastor who commits adultery can be forgiven, but not only lose his ministry but be chastised to correct his character and to make others see how seriously God takes this. Thus Cain was not saying there was no forgiveness for his sin but was asking for mercy regarding his chastisement.

Secondly, while dying in unbelief in Christ is the sin that precludes forgiveness - not because God cannot forgive unbelief but because one does not come to God for it - in context that is not the sin the Lord is referring that cannot be forgiven.

Then was brought unto him one possessed with a devil, blind, and dumb: and he healed him, insomuch that the blind and dumb both spake and saw. And all the people were amazed, and said, Is not this the son of David? But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils. And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand: And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand? (Matthew 12:22-26)

...Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come. (Matthew 12:31-32)

Here the sin referred to was that of attributing miracles that were manifestly of God to the power of the devil, which was a result of their continued hardness of impenitent heart even in the face of profound Scriptural and supernatural substantiation of the Son of God in word and in power. Thus unpardonable sin was not that protesting the degree of chastisement or doubting the forgiveness of God, but of final apostasy in resisting the Holy Spirit, and thus become reprobate and unable to repent, the "great transgression," having "wickedly departed" from God (Psalms 18:21) which David said he did not do.

This is what Hebrew 6 refers to,

For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. (Hebrews 6:4-6; cf. Gal. 5:1-4; Heb. 3:12; 10:25-39)

7 posted on 05/14/2021 8:17:50 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save + be baptized + follow Him!)
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To: CharlesOConnell

Did Cain repent ? Regardless of translation being promoted ... Well, that is between the Heavenly Father and Cain...

The unpardonable sin is a specific sin that only a few will ever be in a position to commit .. regardless of translation or some preacher/priests commentary. The unpardonable ‘sin’ is also a time signature yet to be fulfilled.


8 posted on 05/14/2021 8:32:28 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Psalm 2. Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?)
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...calling God a liar when he had told our original parents that if they ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, they would die.

One slight error:

The record shows that GOD did NOT tell 'our parents'.

HE only 'told' Adam...

Genesis 2:15-18

15 The Lord God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it. 16 And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”

18 The Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.”

Nothing was recorded telling where Eve learned about the tree, in the middle of the garden.

9 posted on 05/15/2021 3:55:20 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: CharlesOConnell

Genesis 4:13 King James Bible (KJV) - And Cain said unto the LORD, My punishment is greater than I can bear.

Brenton Septuagint Translation - And Cain said to the Lord God, My crime is too great for me to be forgiven.


Too many times, we in our limited minds, assume it is one or the other. Both are worthy of reflection.


22 posted on 05/16/2021 9:09:53 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: CharlesOConnell

What of David?


26 posted on 05/16/2021 8:12:43 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: CharlesOConnell; daniel1212
Genesis 4:13 King James Bible (KJV) - And Cain said unto the LORD, My punishment is greater than I can bear.

Brenton Septuagint Translation - And Cain said to the Lord God, My crime is too great for me to be forgiven.

I would suggest the Brenton Septuagint Translation is a poor translation of the text. Please note the actual Hebrew translation And said Cain to Yahweh, "My punishment is greater than I can bear." This is far different from Brenton's translation as it has nothing to do with Cain asking or seeking forgiveness. One can see that Cain was only selfishly interested in his punishment-not of forgiveness.

This shows the folly of not carefully studying the text.

28 posted on 05/17/2021 4:13:57 AM PDT by HarleyD (Dr E-"There are very few shades of grey.")
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I believe that the unforgivable sin is the rejection of God's spirit from our lives after we've received it:

Heb 6:4  For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, 
Heb 6:5  and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 
Heb 6:6  if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame. 

39 posted on 05/18/2021 2:48:04 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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