Medical Examiner: “The COVID Death Number Is a Lie.”

The Red Elephants ^ | April 16, 2021 | Staff

[CheshireTheCat]

Dennis McGowan a recently retired Chief of Operations for the Fulton County Medical Examiner’s Office in Atlanta recently explained why he calls the SARS-CoV-2 death toll “a big lie.”

He writes:

“Death certificates are pretty uniform in their structure, and they call for strict accuracy in listing the relevant details. There are five critical lines...

The first (top) line is “Immediate Cause of Death.” This is where the actual terminal event is recorded. This line is followed by three more, all labeled “Due To,” where contributors to the immediate cause, in declining order, are listed. An example of this structure might be Immediate Cause listed as Cerebral Hemorrhage, and the first Due To line might be Gunshot Wound. Very direct. In the event that there are other contributors in the cascade of Due To notations, they would follow, in descending order. Finally, there is a line called “Other Significant Conditions,” which serves as a catch-all for relevant, non-fatal items...

You can imagine how many death certificates I’ve seen in my career, but you can’t imagine the number of death certificates that are being fraudulently tallied in this current pandemic. Someone in some bureaucrat’s office decided that if COVID appears anywhere on a death certificate, it is counted as a COVID death, even if it isn’t. If COVID is on the Immediate Cause line, it is clearly a COVID death. If it is on the first Due To line, it might be a COVID death in a person with a significant comorbidity. If it is on the second or third Due To line, it may or may not have a role in the death, but if it appears in the Other Significant Conditions line, it is not a COVID death, yet it is being counted as one....

[fwdude]

So if you don’t see something, it doesn’t exist?

Who said it didn’t exist? Not I.

But it doesn’t exist in anywhere near the level it’s being portrayed. I have a sane doctor, and he doesn’t even bring it up in checkups. He’s never suggested I get vaccinated. Same with my aged mom’s doctor. And she has advanced COPD!

[hawkaw]

👍

Thanks.

[Secret Agent Man]

Its fact. Your belief is based in fact.

[zeestephen]

I started studying Death Certificates a year ago, when the number of COVID deaths began to surge.

Several points...

(1) The CDC endorsed Death Certificate is very confusing. The top line is called Immediate Cause. In medical discussions, the top line is often referred to as the Terminal Event or the Proximate Cause.

(2) The bottom line is called the Underlying Cause of Death, or UCOD. There can be zero lines - or several more lines - between the Immediate Cause (top line) and the UCOD (bottom line).

(3) In theory, there is supposed to be a logical chain of medical events that begins with the UCOD (bottom line) and moves up to the Immediate Cause (top line).

(4) When I read or listen to medical experts discuss Cause of Death, I almost NEVER understand if they are referring to the top line Immediate Cause or to the bottom line UCOD.

(5) The doctor in this article states: “If COVID is on the Immediate Cause (top) line, it is clearly a COVID death.”

(6) That statement flatly contradicts what the CDC policy says! The CDC says COVID should be on the bottom line, which is the UCOD line.

Here are three examples of COVID death certificates, as instructed by the CDC. See pages 4-6:

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/vsrg/vsrg03-508.pdf

[logi_cal869]

These are the numbers which count (and corresponding death rate):

Source.

[Cobra64]

Mortality rates are BS. Hospitals are paid a ransom for reporting “death by Covid.”

[tilefloor]

It’s not a belief. It’s the truth. I’m an ER doctor. It gets mentioned in charts if if the visit can in anyway conceivably be COVID related even if it’s likely not such as a COPD or asthma exacerbation. If I don’t have the test back at the time of charting then how do I really know if it’s not COVID related is how it’s rationalized. People with COVID get GI symptoms too. Might as well put that in the chart of the 20 year old with nausea and vomiting. The list goes on and on. We just stick a generic statement in the chart so the coders will see it. It works to catch more reimbursement particulalrly in patient’s that are self pay (ie, not insured). That’s the grift on my level. It gets played in different ways all over the system. Most hospitals actually operate on pretty small margins. Many have been significantly larger thanks to the CARES Act. Like lost of the money our government distributes, it’s not equitable. The individuals or groups that play the game the best reap the largest rewards.

[deek69]

Been saying this for a while now. Just like when you have a deadly car accident. Even if the driver has a negligible amount of alcohol, it is considered drunken driving accident/death

[grey_whiskers]

The problem is that you are a liar.

The 0.65% includes both the inflated numbers through deliberate conflation of "death FROM" and "death WITH";

And the inflated numbers caused by forcefully putting patients on ventilators in the early days';

And the inflated numbers caused by Dem governors turning down the dedicated military hospital ships to put the infected patients in close quarters with the most vulnerable, in nursing homes;

and the inflated numbers by refusing to consider other treatments which various doctors had good real-world clinical results with (HCQ / Zinc, Ivermectin)

Not to mention, you know, the 0.65% is mostly due to those over 70 with co-existing or pre-existing morbidities.

I've never heard anyone in earnest saying the world is flat.

Your use of absurd strawmen is proof of your desperation and bad faith.

[grey_whiskers]

I provide links and sources to refute your BS all day long.

Yes, I see you providing a link right here...

[RC one]

Here ya go buddy. Let me guess, the WSJ is just liberal propaganda?

[grey_whiskers]

Globalist.

[grey_whiskers]

From YOUR article:

"Public-health experts believe that many, if not most, of the additional deaths were directly linked to the disease, particularly early in the pandemic when testing was sparse. Some of those excess deaths came from indirect fallout, from health-care disruptions, people avoiding the hospital and other issues."

So the above is not fact, but speculation ("belief.")

I guess that's where the mindless sheeple propaganda phrase "believe the science" comes from.

Second, it says most of the extra deaths were from before we could do anything (not even a test).

Third, it says a lot of the deaths were (and more will come) from stuff like this:

Closing down hospitals for a non-existent rush of COVID patients, leading to a lack of screening / treatment for other diseases.

While Doctors and Nurses did synchronized Tik-Tok dance videos.

Oh, and in case you haven't seen it.

There IS one plague related to COVID which is spreading:

[Salamander]

WuFluCoup.

[jonrick46]

Yours was a good, thoughtful, post. When a person with Covid-19 goes on a ventilator and later dies, they are certainly listed as a Covid-19 death. Covid-19 may cause the death of someone who has high blood pressure, clogged arteries, respiratory disease, lung cancer and a host of other diseases. Had they not got the virus, they may have had their disease cured and lived.

[RC one]

So the above is not fact, but speculation ("belief.")

It's a fact that there were 479,050 excess deaths in the United States in 2020 and only about 352,000 of those deaths are accounted for by Covid deaths. It's a fact that this same pattern was seen in nearly every country across the globe. This wasn't because of some dancing nurses TikTok video.

Second, it says most of the extra deaths were from before we could do anything (not even a test).

And?

And that's not even 100% true. It may be true in the U.S. to some extent but look at the image I posted and the highlighted waves of excess deaths among different countries. Those excess deaths occurred later in the pandemic, not early.

And there's this from Mexico. The Government of Mexico is flat out admitting that they underreported Covid deaths by as much as 60%. I could spend all day posting similar stories about Covid excess deaths in other countries. It all adds up to the same conclusion: Covid has killed more people than has been officially reported, not fewer. You can argue about how many of those deaths were directly related to Covid and how many weren't but the idea that the death count is being inflated is De. Bunked.

[grey_whiskers]

And, again, you're assuming those reports are honest. Given the very lax definitions of COVID, and that even in the US, people dying in car crashes were listed as "COVID deaths" these reports are unreliable.

Your propaganda will not work.

[grey_whiskers]

Just what were these societal disruptions that lead to the death of 127,050+ mostly elderly Americans btw?

The elderly Americans (particularly in nursing homes in states with Dem Governors who forced COVID patients to live there, ignoring the dedicated military hospital ships and rapidly constructed COVID hospitals in convention centers), ARE due to COVID, most likely.

Which means those Dem Governors should be executed for crimes against humanity.

BTW, if COVID is and was such a horrid, uncontrollable, worldwide scourge, why were there any Tik-Tok videos at all?

Why weren't the hospital ships and convention-center hospitals filled to overflowing?

It's because you're a lying totalitarian toady.

And a troll.

[Keyhopper]

Behold, the almighty Dr. Covidiot

[JayGalt]

April 22, 2021 — John Hinderaker
Covid Is Now Saving Lives

More specifically, fewer people are now dying than would have been the case had there been no Wuhan epidemic. As one doctor colorfully put it, the people who die from covid are generally those who had one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel. I have spent some time studying covid death certificates (i.e., certificates that have the word “covid” somewhere on them), and I agree: »
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2021/04/covid-is-now-saving-lives.php