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USA Today reported, based on Army documents it obtained, that the Army reached its decision not to reinstate Golsteyn’s Special Forces Tab and decorations in June, but held off on announcing the decision during Trump’s final months in office. According to the documents obtained by USA Today, the Army review board cited a letter from the Justice Department stating that Trump’s pardon did not wipe clean Golsteyn’s record.

So Trump's DOJ made the call? WTF?

1 posted on 03/18/2021 3:42:11 PM PDT by PROCON
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They’ll get this guy any way they can.


2 posted on 03/18/2021 3:44:07 PM PDT by Seruzawa (TANSTAAFL)
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I’m absolutely convinced that the powers that be want a McVeigh v2.0.
They’re trying to make our side snap.


3 posted on 03/18/2021 3:44:55 PM PDT by EEGator
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One of Trump’s biggest failures was an inability to weed out the weasels that were pernicious in DOJ Trump hated the swamp yet the swamp creatures found jobs in the administration.


4 posted on 03/18/2021 3:48:17 PM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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This guy certainly didn’t help himself. Pick a d*mn story and stick with it. If it happens to be true, all the better.


6 posted on 03/18/2021 3:50:06 PM PDT by larrytown (i like pie)
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Feels Up/Heels Up absolutely despises the US Armed Forces. And they make no effort to hide that hatred. But this shouldn’t surprise anyone who’s been paying attention.


7 posted on 03/18/2021 3:50:26 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Trump: "They're After You. I'm Just In The Way")
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If he gets breast implants and starts calling himself Matilda, they will reconsider. That’s “Today’s Army”


8 posted on 03/18/2021 3:50:32 PM PDT by montag813 ("Fallen, fallen, is Babylon the Great")
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“So Trump’s DOJ made the call? WTF?”

The vast majority of “civil servants” serve for their entire career. Having met some retired state department people, they were gay as hell, and liberal idiots. Not a logical bone in their body.

I was employed be several large companies in the military industrial complex. Those companies are a reflection of the military they serve. There is a corresponding employee for practically every military rank. I watched petty people undercut what the managers wanted to do by slow-walking or outright ignoring orders. Employees who had served in the military said it was similar there. If the lower ranks don’t want something to happen, it won’t. Even if what the management wants to do would save the jobs of lower level people, if those lower level people want to stymie the boss, they will even if it results in their layoff. The attitude is, “Well, we’ll just see about THAT!”

One problem, which we call The Swamp, is some of those civil servants see themselves as the real boss. We saw some of that with, I think his name was Lindeman. A colonel who was insulted Trump didn’t do what he wanted him to.


10 posted on 03/18/2021 3:54:46 PM PDT by Gen.Blather (Wait! I said that out loud? )
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Ping


11 posted on 03/18/2021 3:57:23 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Fascists never think they’re the fascists.)
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The entire JAG staff has to be cleaned out; it is swamp in and of itself.


12 posted on 03/18/2021 4:00:33 PM PDT by Wuli
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The leadership of the United States Army has gone DeepState.


14 posted on 03/18/2021 4:00:45 PM PDT by Carl Vehse
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bkmk


16 posted on 03/18/2021 4:10:54 PM PDT by sauropod (Chance favors the prepared mind.)
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The Victoria Cross was forfeited eight times. King George V disagreed with that policy.

From Wikipedia:

King George V felt very strongly that the decoration should never be forfeited and in a letter from his Private Secretary, Lord Stamfordham, on 26 July 1920, his views are forcefully expressed:

The King feels so strongly that, no matter the crime committed by anyone on whom the VC has been conferred, the decoration should not be forfeited. Even were a VC to be sentenced to be hanged for murder, he should be allowed to wear his VC on the scaffold.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Cross#Forfeited_awards


17 posted on 03/18/2021 4:11:14 PM PDT by Leaning Right (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)
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Today’s Twisted, homo-loving US Army suck, My Dad, who passed at 95, a highly-decorated WWII Combat Engineer Vet of Patton’s 3rd Corps of France, Netherlands, Belgium and a 100 villages and cites, plus Bastogne, would get sick at what the US Army’s become these past 10-15yrs.

RIP, Dad.


18 posted on 03/18/2021 4:11:55 PM PDT by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
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Trump allowed the board to make the decision. That was the first mistake. He should have relieved them of that obligation and circumvented the process, as is his prerogative as Commander-in-Chief.

Many people don’t realize that pardon ≠ expungement. That’s well-settled US law and has been for a very long time. If pardoned for a crime, that crime remains on your record, you must still disclose the conviction on any application that asks and it (the pardon) doesn’t undo every ramification of the conviction. Instead, it only stops the punishment and reverses criminal penalties associated with the conviction, like the cessation of rights (like the R2KBA).

But, if you lose a medical license or law license...or military decoration, the pardon does nothing to re-issue those licenses. Things like that are left for the respective governing bodies to sort out as this review board did.

The uncomfortable reality is this review board was simply following the law, which is exactly why Trump should not have left it up to them. But, as a real estate developer with no military or political experience he had no idea how any of it works probably not unlike many reading this comment. Plus, he had very few people surrounding him who shared his goals. This all makes it tough to get things done you want to get done in government.


19 posted on 03/18/2021 4:13:11 PM PDT by ScubaDiver (Reddit refugee.)
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If he was transgender, he would now have his medals reinstated.


22 posted on 03/18/2021 4:26:51 PM PDT by Candor7 ((Obama Fascism:http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html) )
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The US military has gone completely leftist and woke at the top of the command structure. Some major house cleaning needs to be done or we will never be able to defend ourselves. I suppose we are perfectly poised to fight any new endless wars without winning though. I guess that is what they want.


31 posted on 03/18/2021 4:42:51 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA (“When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty.” ― Thomas Jefferson)
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Why would a courtier have loyalty to a dead king?

The DOJ and military never liked Trump, and knew he was going away.


33 posted on 03/18/2021 5:08:55 PM PDT by redgolum (If this culture today is civilization, I will be the barbarian)
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Didn’t he realize that his is to do and die for the establishment war industry as a target and not try to win so that the $ flows?


34 posted on 03/18/2021 5:10:59 PM PDT by wildcard_redneck ( COVID lockdowns are the Establishment's attack on the middle class and our Republic)
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Glad he’s free. But he was a dim bulb IMO. One, he was applying for CIA. Two, he volunteered the information. A SF guy should be able to pass a polygraphs.

Hell, every single US spy has breezed through.

They don’t work on sociopaths.


41 posted on 03/18/2021 6:07:28 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. .... )
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Treason from the Army leaders. And Treason from Bill Barr.
BOTH hid from Trump that they were still going after him.


42 posted on 03/18/2021 6:09:16 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. .... )
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