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Thomas Jefferson ... among the most revered founding fathers of our country, only became President because he used his unilateral power as President of the Senate
Rasmussen Reports Tweet ^ | 12/27/2020

Posted on 12/27/2020 10:14:56 AM PST by SeekAndFind

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Come January 6th:

(Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything. - Stalin)
"Come January 6, 2021, Vice President Mike Pence will be presented with the sealed certificates containing the ballots of the presidential electors.


Katie Stewart
@KatieSt1985
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Why bother even having an election if the VP can throw out votes at his discretion?
Seems a ridiculous precedent to set when you think about it. Never going to happen.


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Replying to @KatieSt1985

"Thomas Jefferson ... among the most revered founding fathers of our country, only became President because he used his unilateral power as President of the Senate to open and count the presidential ballots in his own favor."



TOPICS: Government; History; Politics
KEYWORDS: presidency; thomasjefferson
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1 posted on 12/27/2020 10:14:56 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
To this we must add the history of counting and objections recounted by Alexander Macris (here and here).  Put bluntly, it's as clear as mud.  Add to that the fact that the contested states of Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, New Mexico, Nevada, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin have sent dueling slates of electors to D.C.  This means that the V.P. has to decide how he will handle the situation when two sealed envelopes are handed to him from any of those states.

Macris points out that in 1800, even with constitutional deficiencies in Georgia, Thomas Jefferson blithely counted defective electoral votes from Georgia, effectively voting himself into the presidency.  This demonstrates that the president of the Senate is the final authority on any motions or objections during the vote-counting.  There is no appeal.  That doesn't mean there won't be any outrage.  Whatever Pence does, people will be angry.  But what does the law demand?

2 posted on 12/27/2020 10:16:31 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Best outcome is Pence will void the EC delegates and this thing goes to the House....where the people are represented.


3 posted on 12/27/2020 10:19:36 AM PST by ealgeone
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To: SeekAndFind
"Add to that the fact that the contested states of Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, New Mexico, Nevada, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin have sent dueling slates of electors to D.C. This means that the V.P. has to decide how he will handle the situation when two sealed envelopes are handed to him from any of those states.

If this is true, Trump has won.

4 posted on 12/27/2020 10:28:47 AM PST by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: ifinnegan

Well it’s not true. Another blah, blah, blah blog.


5 posted on 12/27/2020 10:30:49 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: SeekAndFind

Pence may be legally entitled to select the ballots of conservatives, but at the risk of immediate massive civil unrest.

Not that we won’t have massive civil unrest either way.

It’a just a matter of when.


6 posted on 12/27/2020 10:33:08 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (400,000,000 Guns. 8,000,000,000 Rounds of Ammo per YEAR. I like our odds.)
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To: Sacajaweau; SeekAndFind

“Well it’s not true. Another blah, blah, blah blog.”

Thank you Sac.

Seek and Find, what about this?


7 posted on 12/27/2020 10:36:00 AM PST by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: Uncle Miltie

Pence could make himself the hero of the Republic.
All of his career he has played it safe, I don’t see him doing anything that dramatic.


8 posted on 12/27/2020 10:36:08 AM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizens Are Born Here of Citizen Parents|Know Islam, No Peace-No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: Uncle Miltie

So, the question becomes... are we always going to use the excuse of massive civil unrest to prevent us from doing what we believe to be what’s right?

If so, we become hostages to the BLMs and Antifas of the world.


9 posted on 12/27/2020 10:36:17 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: Sacajaweau

RE: Well it’s not true.

Please be more specific, what’s not true?


10 posted on 12/27/2020 10:37:22 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: ifinnegan

RE: Seek and Find, what about this?

Sac said ‘Well, it’s not true’ I can’t comment until I know exactly what Sac is referring to in this tweet that is not true.


11 posted on 12/27/2020 10:39:49 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

There are no dueling slates of electors. There is one slate that was certified and then a non-certified slate that some republicans got together and voted for that absolutely have no meaning.

https://news.yahoo.com/republicans-attempt-disrupt-electoral-college-215300264.html

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/12/14/arizona-groups-fake-electors-try-cast-11-electoral-votes-trump/6536056002/


12 posted on 12/27/2020 10:40:10 AM PST by OIFVeteran
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To: Lurkinanloomin

This is Pence’s hour. Make or break.


13 posted on 12/27/2020 10:40:55 AM PST by CondorFlight
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To: OIFVeteran

RE: There are no dueling slates of electors. There is one slate that was certified and then a non-certified slate that some republicans got together and voted for that absolutely have no meaning.

So, essentially what you’re saying is - NOTHING CAN BE DONE ON JANUARY 6 BUT TO RUBBER STAMP WHAT WAS CERTIFIED ( even if we know that the certification was fraudulent) ?


14 posted on 12/27/2020 10:42:19 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/dec/16/instagram-posts/no-key-swing-states-did-not-cast-electoral-votes-b/


15 posted on 12/27/2020 10:43:53 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: SeekAndFind
Sac said ‘Well, it’s not true’ I can’t comment until I know exactly what Sac is referring to in this tweet that is not true.

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From post 2

Add to that the fact that the contested states of Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, New Mexico, Nevada, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin have sent dueling slates of electors to D.C. This means that the V.P. has to decide how he will handle the situation when two sealed envelopes are handed to him from any of those states."

The bold part - about dueling slates.

16 posted on 12/27/2020 10:44:54 AM PST by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: SeekAndFind

That is what he is saying.


17 posted on 12/27/2020 10:45:31 AM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizens Are Born Here of Citizen Parents|Know Islam, No Peace-No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: ifinnegan

The officially certified by the Gov are the only ones that will be accepted.
The others are unofficial sent by the state Republican party.
Pence COULD accept them, but probably won’t absent a GOP Senator joining the House members who want to fight the steal.


18 posted on 12/27/2020 10:48:51 AM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizens Are Born Here of Citizen Parents|Know Islam, No Peace-No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: OIFVeteran

Not according to the US Constitution. You should check it out sometime, young pup. You sure fight for the other side a lot.


19 posted on 12/27/2020 10:50:38 AM PST by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. .... )
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To: SeekAndFind

Exactly. There are only two ways to stop Biden from becoming prepay this stage is;

1)a court rules that the election was fraudulent across several states and should be redone at some level. So far Trump and the people fighting this in the courts are currently 1-60 so this is unlikely.

2)some sort of coup to keep Trump in power. I use the word coup because without a court ruling determining the election was fraudulent the military, federal law enforcement agencies, etc, will view it as a coup and will crush it.

The fact is that people, even the president, claiming the election is fraudulent, means nothing. The default position is that the election, any election, is valid, unless proven otherwise by our legal system. That has not happened.


20 posted on 12/27/2020 10:51:51 AM PST by OIFVeteran
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