I watched this movie in the theater in 2001... The movie does mention Katyn Massacre... One of the code breakers find out about the Massacre while interpreting some German messages... I thought the movie was OK...
Posted on 12/15/2020 8:40:27 AM PST by PAUL09
I was just funning Ya😁
The flaw in the enigma machine is each word has the same amount of characters.
A submarine would send messages in maritime language in German.
Not easy but you can parse out possible messages.
Re Oath:
Can’t answer that, as I don’t know. It’s possible.
I only know what my old man said, as I stated earlier. He was there, up close and personal, so his word was/is gospel to me. As is the word of other WWII Airborne veterans that I’ve spoken with over the years.
The “Nazis” were a political party organization, and they took over the country and all of its instituions, and placed THEIR people in key positions throughout the governments - federal, state, and local.
Some people were Nazis, and a lot weren’t.
Excellent movie on Netflix about Alan Turing, the man who cracked Enigma. Covers the technical feat as well as all the ensuing issues and politics.
Nazi Operated Enigma Machine Retrieved In Baltic Sea
About time! Now we can defeat the U-boats!
If you took someone from Germany in 1941, brought them to today. Tell them the EU was Hitler’s idea after winning the war and everything has been hunky dory ever since. Explain that Jews were sent to Israel to keep the peace.
They’d believe it.
in the aftermath of the war, there was a general push to promote a “clean wehrmacbt” concept....in that the “regular” german army -Heer-was not complicit in the crimes perpetrated against civilians, the Jewish population, etc.
this was done, in large part, to enable the Allies to quickly rearm West Germany as a line of defense against the Soviet threat to the West.
however, beginning in the 1990’s, this myth of a “Clean Wehrmacht” began to be challenged by Western historians...starting in Germany. Much evidence was. and continues to be, presented to show that “everyday” Heer units were just as actively involved in pogroms and “Aktion” as the Einsatzgruppen and some Waffen SS units, especially in the East.
Much has been written about the psychological reasonings for this. Christopher Browning authored some interesting books about this very topic. Indoctrination vs “heat of the moment” causes for massacres of civilians, etc.
While I am not discounting your Dad’s experiences, as time passes, and more evidence is uncovered and examined through eyes two generations removed, it is becoming more apparent that “regular” german army soldiers, in many cases, did identify with the ideological tenants of the regime.
just my .02
as a side note, the old adage that “the victors get to write the history books”, is not always accurate. in the case of the german defeat in the USSR, there was such a tight lid on archives in Moscow, that most of our knowledge and interpretation of the campaign in Russia came from the memoirs of german generals, etc. Certainly, not the victors.
it was not until the 1990’s that Western historians were given access to Red Army military archives...and then, better accounts of that conflict cnould be written. David Glantz, et al
Thanks, good info. I appreciate it.
I tend to view history through the eyes of the people who lived it, not historians who weren’t there, so my understanding is based on what they saw, from their limited but still first-person perspective.
i can appreciate that.
I try to do the same thing, whenever possible.
history is not about the facts. history is about the lessons, if we choose to learn them.
Roger that
But facts matter too, lest we tar innocent folks with too broad a brush.
Germany is an example of a society that went temporarily insane and followed a socialist madman into Hell. But there were good people trapped there as well... victimized by the socialists.
you are correct.
the facts certainly do matter.
Let me try to clarify my earlier muddy statement...:
the value in studying history is to discern the lessons that it contains.
the German mind has a historical tendency to be very precise, regimented and orderly...while sometimes failing to look at the big picture. this “trait” led them into two World Wars, and utter ruin.
Hitler understood this tendency, and took full advantage of it, exploiting the emotional pain surrounding Versailles and the global depression of the late 1920-early 1930’s.
Interestingly, after his failed putsch attempt in 1923, and subsequent prison term, he vowed to capture power by “legal” means....ballot box, etc...with a little coersive help from the SA. Not unlike what is happening here, today, in many respects.
I watched this movie in the theater in 2001... The movie does mention Katyn Massacre... One of the code breakers find out about the Massacre while interpreting some German messages... I thought the movie was OK...
“... Not unlike what is happening here, today, in many respects...”
My thoughts precisely.. so to your earlier point... some lessons were indeed learned :^) - by the democrats and their henchmen SA allies... our modern day Nazi party.
I'm going to assume you have too much blood in your caffeine system to recognize sarcasm. In the mean time, feel free to ignore anything else I say, and don't bother to reply to me. I do not want to hear from you again.
...nearly three centuries after its drastic beneficial purpose had been served during the second world war.
"Archaeology World" is garbage.
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