[agere_contra]

Still averting our gaze from Mary’s permission I see. Why is that?

God’s messenger was not in doubt. Because God was not in doubt.

God who sent Gabriel knew what Mary’s reaction would be. Because He is God.

But that doesn’t mean that Mary didn’t have a choice. Otherwise: why did she give her permission?

[BipolarBob]

You contradict yourself.
God who sent Gabriel knew what Mary’s reaction would be. Because He is God.
But that doesn’t mean that Mary didn’t have a choice. Otherwise: why did she give her permission?
You answered your own question. God knew her choice so the point is moot. Also she wasn't asked. She obeyed. Her own free choice. Case closed.

[metmom]

Hey, you all claim she was born sinless. That means she never had a choice about whether to sin or not.

Which also means that if God made her sinless (which He did not) so she could bear Jesus, then she had no choice in that either because she couldn’t have done any different.

God took her free choice about whether to sin or not from her. And now you’re trying to convince us she had a choice about bearing Jesus?

Nobody asked her permission and just because God knew what her response would be doesn’t mean He chose her because of that.

His plan for redemption did not depend on Mary’s “cooperation”.

The angel came, told her what was going to happen, told her what she was to name the child, and that was that.

You can call God a rapist all you want for that but all it does is reveal the depravity of the Catholic mind for even THINKING of such a thing. Catholics have some issue with sex that is just unfathomable.