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Oregon just decriminalized personal useage of heroine and cocaine, but continues to ban their commercial scale manufacturing, distribution, and sale. How exactly is that supposed to work?
wordpress ^ | November 4, 2020 | Dan from Squirrel Hill

Posted on 11/04/2020 7:40:51 AM PST by grundle

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To: grundle

Face the facts: the war on drugs is a FAILURE.

Legalize it, tax it, and let the dumba$$ users off themselves with it.


21 posted on 11/04/2020 8:08:53 AM PST by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: grundle

Dopeheads could grow their own.

Coca plants and opium poppies are 100% natural.


22 posted on 11/04/2020 8:09:20 AM PST by Brian Griffin
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To: wally_bert
Let the kooks have a section of Oregon and leave them to it

Make it a drug infested island cut off from food and products from Red America. Starve them to death.

23 posted on 11/04/2020 8:09:53 AM PST by ConservativeInPA ("War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength." - George Orwell, 1984)
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To: grumpygresh

“The CSA is IMO unconstitutional”

Amendment XVIII clearly indicates the federal government previously lacked authority to put Eliot Ness to work.


24 posted on 11/04/2020 8:11:56 AM PST by Brian Griffin
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Oregon: Happy Hunter (Biden) grounds


25 posted on 11/04/2020 8:12:16 AM PST by BipolarBob (Rome wasn't built in a day. All Hail the night shift!)
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To: clee1

The area of legality needs to be in the sticks to avoid San Francisco style problems.


26 posted on 11/04/2020 8:13:39 AM PST by Brian Griffin
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They decriminalized female heroes?


27 posted on 11/04/2020 8:22:47 AM PST by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: grundle

This is a temporary problem for Oregon drug addicts, easily remedied in the next election. They will simply make it all legal.


28 posted on 11/04/2020 8:26:29 AM PST by GLDNGUN
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To: grundle

“Frankly, they can do that by using users as a starting point.”

Maybe a good strategy but I don’t want to pay the costs to rehabilitate the addicts. To refer to Mother Teresa again, they must learn from their and their family’s suffering.

Actually, I’m willing for government to help some in these areas.


29 posted on 11/04/2020 8:27:07 AM PST by cymbeline
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To: clee1

I disagree.

Before the War on Drugs, people wer able to access heroin, cocaine, and other illicit substances with greater ease than in today’s climate.

The War on Drugs was a success in many ways. When people are turning to under-the-sink chemicals to make drugs like meth, it’s apparent the Border Patrol, Coast Guard, and other related forces were effective in stopping and deterring the powerful systems running cocaine and heroin across our borders.

Yes, stupid people will always crave drugs. But the desperation to consume household chemicals has proven the War on Drugs as successful in many ways.


30 posted on 11/04/2020 8:28:43 AM PST by Prole
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To: grundle

so will amazon be selling those now?


31 posted on 11/04/2020 8:35:12 AM PST by Bob434
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To: Brian Griffin

Do you mean the 21st amendment that repealed the 18th alcohol prohibition?


32 posted on 11/04/2020 8:35:19 AM PST by grumpygresh (Civil disobedience by jury nullification.)
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To: Prole

1.5 trillion wasted, millions in prisons. It’s a success alright for the DEA and DOJ who prey and profit from the millions of Americans whose lives are ruined.

Might I remind you that ODs are at all time highs. That’s because an illicit market is unregulated and the drugs are much more dangerous.

But it’s even worse. The DEA spends an inordinate amount of time and money attacking legal prescriptions. This has had the effect of shitting people to the dangerous illegal market.

It really does appear that DEA is enabling the illicit market for profit and job security. The DEA has been in China for 30 years. It just so happened that fentanyl analogs took off while prescriptions went down. They worked with Chinese narcotics police. So do you think China was helping to reduce fentanyl imports with DEA?

Come on, we know DEA is a secret corrupt organization with little oversight. Either you’re a shill for the police state or you’re brainwashed by them.


33 posted on 11/04/2020 8:45:12 AM PST by grumpygresh (Civil disobedience by jury nullification.)
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To: grundle

The title of the measure is the “Drug Dealers Relief Act of 2020.”


34 posted on 11/04/2020 8:58:51 AM PST by kaehurowing
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To: grumpygresh

Agreed. We’ve wasted decades and grown massive government bureaucracies to try and combat this this thing like it’s a war. All it’s done is massively erode our civil liberties, burned trillions in taxpayer dollars, and packed our prisons with people who will never qualify for a good job for the rest of their lives even if they clean up their act.

Target the distributors and treat the addicts. It’s cheaper, easier, and less risk to the rest of us that just want to live our lives. If you want to reduce addiction, improve the economy. Very few people with good paying jobs and lives that are going well start hitting the crack pipe. It always starts with a reason, and more often than not that reason is to escape a life that’s going very poorly.


35 posted on 11/04/2020 9:00:39 AM PST by 2aProtectsTheRest (The media is banging the fear drum enough. Don't help them do it.)
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To: grumpygresh

Like I said before, when people are making their drugs from chemicals from bathroom cleaning products, something evidently worked.

....And before you accuse me of being a CIA mole or some other nonsense, take a step back and recognize today’s drug market is considerably driven by people’s desperation to consume....

If it means consuming stuff made from toilet cleaner and battery acid, then their mindless desperation drives it.


36 posted on 11/04/2020 9:20:56 AM PST by Prole
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To: Prole

What worked in war on drugs? Over a trillion wasted, ODs went up? More in prison?

So those might be good outcomes in your opinion?


37 posted on 11/04/2020 9:35:49 AM PST by grumpygresh (Civil disobedience by jury nullification.)
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To: grundle

And about the conflict with Federal Law.....???


38 posted on 11/04/2020 9:39:00 AM PST by G Larry (There is no merit in compromising with the Devil.)
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To: grumpygresh

People on drugs are stupid, which is certainly something we can agree on.

The War on Drugs evidently worked in cutting down the supply, hence why people are consuming crap made out of battery acid and toilet cleaner.

Today’s druggies are not only stupid, they are desperate.

Your anger at me over the facts presented changes nothing.


39 posted on 11/04/2020 9:50:41 AM PST by Prole
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To: Prole

Haven’t you heard of fentanyl analogs? The supply is as big as its ever been. This is primarily what’s causing the rise in ODs. It’s from China and the DEA is probably in on it.

There’s no evidence that the illicit market has shrunk. Your purported anecdotal evidence that reports of druggies use toilet cleaner proves absolutely nothing; it’s not a marker, predictor or indicator of how large the illegal market actually is.

People are dying because the illegal market is so dangerous. The DEA wants it that way.

There are also a lot of suicides in which drugs are used because of the economic situation and covid lockdowns. The war on drugs or DEA wont be able to stop suicides.


40 posted on 11/04/2020 10:12:21 AM PST by grumpygresh (Civil disobedience by jury nullification.)
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