Posted on 09/07/2020 12:09:29 PM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege
We Protestants certainly have a problem when it comes to Mary–so allergic are we to any sign of Marian devotion that we flip out and run the other way at any sign of it, including thoroughly orthodox phrases like “Mother of God” and “Hail Mary, full of grace.”
The first phrase is of course part of the touchstone of orthodoxy the Definition of Chalcedon, and is the proper translation of Theotokos–the preferred Protestant version (for those who even bother to recite it) is “God-bearer,” ... To call Mary the “Mother of God” was a truth that many Christians actually gave their blood and their lives to defend, and yet we Protestants have casually tossed it aside because it sounds icky and Catholic.
Likewise, the first part of the Ave Maria is of course straight from the Gospel of Luke: “Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with you…. Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb.”
For almost as long as the Church has existed, it has held Mary in a place of special honour, and seen fit to show that honour liturgically. No doubt Marian devotion has taken many harmful forms, but should we not defer to the consensus of many centuries of Christians that some kind of Marian devotion is appropriate and desirable? Therefore we should seek to engage, together with Catholics, Orthodox, Anglo-Catholics, and long centuries of Christian practice, in whatever forms of Marian devotion that are not necessarily heretical, idolatrous, or what have you, and try to assume the best of forms that seem dubious or ambiguous.
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I believe in the advice of Mary: “Go to my Son; do what he tells you.” (Cana wedding).
Nowhere in the Bible is Mary called the “mother of God,” despite the author’s uses of the term “orthodoxy.”
Mary was a human being, and she found favor with God—God is a triune God: Father, Son and Holy Spirit and is self-existent, has always existed, but not in the flesh until the Holy Spirit came upon her, and the power of the Most High overshadowed her; “and for that reason the holy offspring was called the Son of God, and the Son of the Most High.” (Luke 1:26-35)
God used lots of people in fulfilling Jesus - Moses, Abraham, John the Baptist, Mother Mary, etc. They are all pointers to the Christ.
yup
she also knew she needed a savior for her sins
The author purposely conflates the ORG Church with the One True Church composed of ALL believers whom God did the ‘born again’ spiritual thing for. That shows an agenda driven article. What is your point in posting this deceit?
I’m keeping my mouth shut on this one. We all have our beliefs, or lack there of. People don’t need to go convincing others their belief is the only way. It doesn’t work.
Mother of G-d” - I don’t understand why there should be any controversy with that phrase. Anyone who has read the Gospels knows exactly what the word “mother” means there.
If the Catholics would like to focus a bit more on Mary than most, then why not? And if some other group would like to focus a bit more on John the Baptist than most, again why not?
It’s not like either group is putting someone ahead of Christ.
I sure wish Christians would quit picking at each other, and instead think of ways to unite us.
“All generations shall call me blessed.”
Now Protestants, just be careful not to go too far with devotion to Our Lady. Let’s say, only as far as Our Lord did. He chose her and granted her more graces than all, “full of grace.” He sent an emissary to kindly ask her permission to become His mother, to receive the flesh He would sacrifice for the salvation of men. He came as a slave, and lived totally subject to her for 30 years. He learned to recite the prayers and Psalms as a child on her lap. He gave more honor to The Father by His subjection to her than had He conquered the world and converted all men.
Does anyone imagine that he could give Mary more honor than does Jesus Christ Himself? Go and do likewise.
You apparently believe a Protestant does not honor the blessed Mary, Mother of Jesus. As a Christian I do not pray to her to have her intercede with The Christ. That is an objectionable misuse of the Blessed Mother of Jesus, reqrdless of how twisted Catholic Chruch reasoning is to promote the worship of a mortal woman blessed among all women. The Mary of the Catholic religion (the Org) is touted as a mediatrix, a co-redeemer, as a whole lot more than the actual Mother of Jesus would even seek to be. She is in spirit, in Heaven with Jesus, awaiting the Gathering Departure when she will receive a new body and behavior mechanism just like all who are in the Born Again Ekklesia of The Christ since the Day of Pentecost preaching from Peter which opened the Age of The Ekklesia.
I was taught at my mother’s knee, that we pray to Mary because a good Jewish boy would do anything His mother asked Him.
There was no mention that that Jewish boy was above all other names. Nor was there any mention that Jesus said that those who did the will of the Father was His mother and brothers.
Mary was a sinner? But, but.... how could a sinful woman give birth to a sin free savior?
/asking for a Catholic.
Luther was Marian
https://www.wikizero.com/en/Luther%27s_Marian_theology
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