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No, I Absolutely DO NOT STIPULATE That Kyle Rittenhouse Shouldn’t Have Been In Kenosha
Captains Journal ^ | 27 August, 2020 | Herschel Smith

Posted on 08/28/2020 4:42:25 AM PDT by marktwain

It has become all the rage.  That is, to partially defend Kyle’s actions as probable self defense, but then to raise the following stipulations.  First up, Leon Wolf writing at The Blaze.

Kyle Rittenhouse should not have been patrolling the streets of Kenosha, Wisconsin, Tuesday night. Whatever failures might have existed on the part of state and local government (and there appear to have been many), the idea of a 17-year-old with a loaded rifle being dropped into that powder keg can only happen when some horribly bad judgment has occurred.

We’ll get to that in a minute.  Next up, Steven Hayward writing at Powerline.

Let’s stipulate starting out that Kyle Rittenhouse, the 17-year-old from Antioch, Illinois, who has been arrested and charged with murder for shooting two people during the Kenosha riots two nights ago, should not have been present at the scene with a semi-auto rifle. That’s no place for a 17-year-old, even if he is a regular at the gun range. And resorting to vigilantism is a sure path to a breakdown in the rule of law and perhaps even open civil war.

Steven is massively naive.  He raises two points – his age, and the resort to “vigilantism.”  Let’s hold in abatement the issue of age for a moment.  As for vigilantism, surely he isn’t thinking clearly or perhaps hasn’t admitted the truth to himself.

We’ve discussed this many times before, but the police are committed to their salary and benefits.  They are under absolutely no legal obligation to defend life or property, or provide protection or safety for anyone.  We know this from Castle Rock v. Gonzales and Warren v. D.C.  They could wait until a murder has been fully and completely committed, while watching and eating doughnuts, and as long as they effect the arrest after the fact, most of them will have fully followed their department protocol.

The police are under the full control of the politicians, and the politicians are mostly Marxists.  Thus, holding the police back redounds to the destruction of property, unsafe environment for residents, and even the loss of family wealth when entire businesses have been burned to the ground.  Many families are not in a position to take a loss like that, regardless of the money Steven makes.

When left with no alternative, it’s obscene for Hayward to advocate the unrighteousness of defense of life and property.  Furthermore, to imply that the “breakdown in the rule of law” is the fault of hopeless and hapless residents lacks compassion, understanding, and good analysis.  And to say that this is what may lead to civil war is more ludicrous still.  Hayward must surely know that we are in an escalating civil war as we speak.  If he doesn’t, I would never hire him as my attorney.  He lacks even the basic skills to understand the current milieu or the signs of the times.

As for Leon Wolf, his appeal to the youthful age as a reason that Kyle shouldn’t have been there is equally ridiculous and even bigoted.  We send 18 year old men to fight our wars for us, and with approval, 17 year old men can do the same.

Let’s go one step further.  In the battle of King’s Mountain, the British forces were essentially all loyalist fighters with the exception of the commander.  This was to be General Cornwallis’ going-forward strategy for winning the campaign in the South.

Upon learning of the coming destruction, the “over-mountain men” left their homes in the area and also neighboring states to travel overnight, many nights, on horseback, to gather and fight the loyalists.

At the time of the battle, crops were being harvested and families couldn’t send the fathers.  Men had to be in the fields in order to prepare for the coming winter.  They did the only thing they could do, and entire families gathered in streets and sang hymns to their young fighters as they sent their sons riding off to war.

They won a decisive victory, destroying Cornwallis’ strategic plan.  What most people do not know about the “over-mountain men” is that the vast majority of them were under the age of 18.  You too can learn this if you study history, or perhaps come to the King’s Mountain military park and tour it, read the placards, and study the area.

But rather than hold older men accountable for their actions, like politicians and police, pundits are satisfied with turning on Kyle for being young and deciding to make a stand.

Back to Mr. Wolf.  The thing that has gone wrong in America for Kyle Rittenhouse to have to do this is that men are no longer men, that they have allowed a Marxist revolution to steal the country, and that no one has the stomach left for having and keeping liberty.  What has happened to the effete, cloistered, foppish, dainty men in America?  Good Lord.


TOPICS: Government; History; Military/Veterans; Politics
KEYWORDS: banglist; defense; freekyle; kenosha; rittenhouse
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To: LouieFisk

Slink off you POS.


41 posted on 08/28/2020 5:23:56 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: rickmichaels

It’s way past time these filthy scum were exterminated......by any means necessary.
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Excellently said. Put ‘em in the dirt, and the sooner the better. I’ll be happy to help whenever my services are needed.


42 posted on 08/28/2020 5:24:09 AM PDT by fortes fortuna juvat (Thank God, a great D.C. Cleanup is finally happening under Trump's leadership!)
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To: Chengdu54

If he was taking the sort of stand our patriots took nearly 250 years ago he would have been storming the mayor’s office in Kenosha and the governor’s office in Madison.


43 posted on 08/28/2020 5:25:09 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("We're human beings ... we're not f#%&ing animals." -- Dennis Rodman, 6/1/2020)
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To: LouieFisk

A parent should have stopped him when they saw him heading out the door toting an AR15 and ask what was going on with him.
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I’m thankful he wasn’t stopped. And my only regret is that he didn’t kill more of them.


44 posted on 08/28/2020 5:26:19 AM PDT by fortes fortuna juvat (Thank God, a great D.C. Cleanup is finally happening under Trump's leadership!)
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To: Fury

It does seem as if Kyle Rittenhouse was abandoned and left to face a crowd of criminals bent on destruction and violence. Now he is alone and the target of condemnation and mockery by a nation of lesser men who think the right thing to do is cower in their homes.


45 posted on 08/28/2020 5:26:26 AM PDT by Jagdgewehr (It will take blood.)
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To: marktwain

Watch and see, democrats will go into a frenzy to outlaw any future Kyles.

The word Kyle is now like an anti Karen.Social networks are buzzing about it non stop.


46 posted on 08/28/2020 5:27:09 AM PDT by Daniel Ramsey (Thank YOU President Trump, finally we can do what America does best, to be the best)
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To: marktwain

I believe he was violating a curfew along with the leftists.

He should have been inside a business.


47 posted on 08/28/2020 5:27:37 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: marktwain

The videos out there already:

One of the Antifa goons with a pistol SHOT AT KYLE and hit the first victim, as did Kyle firing back, or mistakenly firing at the first victim thinking he was shooting at him.

There are clear 4-5 glock shots, followed by 4 5.56. The first victim was hit 5-6 times so it wasn’t just Kyle that shot him.

The Antifa goon was seen on camera multiple times holstered with a glock or something like it, then running around the scene during the first shooting with gun brandished.


48 posted on 08/28/2020 5:27:41 AM PDT by struggle
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To: fortes fortuna juvat
And my only regret is that he didn’t kill more of them.

Big words from behind a keyboard on someone else doing the killing.

49 posted on 08/28/2020 5:27:58 AM PDT by Fury (.)
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To: LouieFisk

Unless the Jury is composed of 12 Antifa members, I don’t see him spending any time in prison.


50 posted on 08/28/2020 5:28:33 AM PDT by ABN 505 (Right is right if nobody is right, and wrong is wrong if everybody is wrong. ~Archbishop Fulton John)
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To: marktwain

Bkmk...great article.


51 posted on 08/28/2020 5:30:09 AM PDT by moovova (https://therealjoe.com/)
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To: LouieFisk

I hear there are products now to ease endless, unrelenting constipation. You might want to look into that.


52 posted on 08/28/2020 5:31:00 AM PDT by JennysCool
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To: fortes fortuna juvat

Acting in pure self-defense is much to his legal advantage.

Leftist prosecutors need to take this account so future incidents don’t commonly result in dozens of dead leftists per incident.


53 posted on 08/28/2020 5:32:41 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: LouieFisk
It’s a tragedy this young boy will end up rotting in jail for a good part of his life

Based on the available video thus far, those look like self-defense shoots in at least two of the three aggressors. There is supposedly more video on the third aggressor that also shows a case of self-defense.

Do think he's in trouble for OC of a long gun, as he's under the age of 18 and apparently that's the minimum age to OC in Wisconsin.

Also need to determine if the parents have permission to travel to Kenosha.

A kid who wanted to do the right thing who has cowards for friends who abandoned him when he needed them the most.

54 posted on 08/28/2020 5:33:06 AM PDT by Fury (.)
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To: ABN 505

“Unless the Jury is composed of 12 Antifa members, I don’t see him spending any time in prison.”

You’re assuming everyone feels as you do about things. About the only way to be sure of no time in a hard prison setting would be to successfully cop a plea of some kind of diminished capacity, due to youth or whatever.


55 posted on 08/28/2020 5:35:08 AM PDT by LouieFisk
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To: marktwain

The author totally misses the point. Kyle was in over his head. He had no basic training, had no situational awareness and he made himself out to be a target.

I applaud Kyle’s enthusiasm, but regret his lack of experience and training.


56 posted on 08/28/2020 5:35:21 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (Click my screen name for an analysis on how HIllary wins next November.)
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To: rickmichaels

We need permanent tax caps in our federal Constitution to avoid a civil war.


57 posted on 08/28/2020 5:36:00 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: Fury

“Big words from behind a keyboard on someone else doing the killing.”

When it’s not you or your child looking at taking a long vacation at the Big House it’s not all that hard to be brave.


58 posted on 08/28/2020 5:36:44 AM PDT by LouieFisk
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To: bramps

I just received an email from GOA-Gun Owners Of America saying they’re getting involved in the kId’s defense also with money and attorneys.


59 posted on 08/28/2020 5:37:21 AM PDT by moovova (https://therealjoe.com/)
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To: ZULU

At what point in our history did we surrender our rights to self defense and protection of our country to an entrenched
Civil Service Establishment.
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People need to wake up to the fact that the “entrenched Civil Service establishment” is in reality a hostile army of pampered people who would vote for Satan himself if he promised them more money and more benefits and more paid leave. They could care less about the welfare of those who are not in their army.


60 posted on 08/28/2020 5:38:38 AM PDT by fortes fortuna juvat (Thank God, a great D.C. Cleanup is finally happening under Trump's leadership!)
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