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1 posted on 08/25/2020 1:26:23 PM PDT by fuente
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Indeed, when considering the likely consequences of a revolutionary reconstitution of society—often including not only civil war, but foreign invasion as the political order collapses—most groups in a conservative society may well prefer to preserve the existing order, or to largely preserve it, rather than to endure Marx’s alternative.

Jefferson:

"Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. "

2 posted on 08/25/2020 1:40:54 PM PDT by frogjerk (We are conservatives. Not libertarians, not "fiscal conservatives", not moderates)
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BFL


3 posted on 08/25/2020 1:45:43 PM PDT by rlmorel ("Truth is Treason in the Empire of Lies"- George Orwell)
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The Academics which have facilitated this and the media ful of leftists who have spewed their hate of freedom need to be cleaned out and the institutions rebuilt - based on logic reason and common sense.

Let the Bigotry against Conservatism End.

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4 posted on 08/25/2020 1:45:45 PM PDT by elbook
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Points 1-3 regarding Free and Equal are explainable via reason only with God as your rock. We are created equal with different gifts and talents given to us freely from God. Some are given citizenship in better nations yet that person is as free and equal as the next in the eyes of God. Also, the definition of free in the sense of the word is twisted in point 2 as being "without cost" which is not what being free means with relation to being created by God. Again, free doesn't mean "license" as is being constructed in point 3.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed...

Like anything else we cannot reason anything out without God. This is ultimately why Marxism is a lie. Try and reason anything out, without God, and it is imperfect at best, which is a lie. We can indeed rationalize out, with the help of God, nations and national identity as God separated a people from his own creation for himself, a nation called Israel. We can also reason out for ourselves our family from which we sprung as our own nation, which is where nations arise from.

7 posted on 08/25/2020 1:57:39 PM PDT by frogjerk (We are conservatives. Not libertarians, not "fiscal conservatives", not moderates)
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The DemonicRats cannot, at this point, separate themselves from the Commies. They are completely incapable of doing it because they are blinded by the thought of finally vanquishing us (conservatives) once and for all. Therefore, they are willing and are throwing their lot in with the Marxists.

This will either end in Civil War II or conservatives will also fade away like the DemonicRats and give in without a fight.

Sadly, the DemonicRats have boxed the US into a corner, and it will end poorly for all of us.


12 posted on 08/25/2020 2:19:12 PM PDT by rigelkentaurus
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The trouble is, there is no such thing as a society in which everyone is free and equal in all ways. Even in a liberal society, there will always be countless ways in which a given class or group may be unfree or unequal with respect to the others. And since this is so, Marxists will always be able to say that some or all of these instances of unfreedom and inequality are instances of oppression.
=========================================================There is so much irrationality in demanding equal outcomes for everyone that it’s easy to see how MASS MURDER becomes a feature of Marxism. I do believe that traditional, non-judgemental liberalism will inevitably lead to Marxism

Either the Marxists perpetrate the mass murder in order to achieve their irrational ideals or we end up killing all of them to eradicate the madness. No matter how you slice it, it’s not going to end well.


13 posted on 08/25/2020 2:21:05 PM PDT by rbg81 (Truth is stranger than fiction)
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Just look at all of those ignorant, useless, angry snowflakes in the accompanying picture. Sad.


18 posted on 08/25/2020 2:44:13 PM PDT by Sicon ("All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." - G. Orwell)
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Good article. Depressing, but necessary.

All one needs to know where we are heading is Nancy Pelosi’s line “enemies of the state.”. Her children and/or grandchildren will eventually become enemies of the state. She is too blinded by power and ambition to see it.


19 posted on 08/25/2020 2:56:43 PM PDT by alternatives? (If our borders are not secure, why fund an army?)
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The word “appeasement” made its first entrance at word 126.


24 posted on 08/25/2020 4:28:09 PM PDT by rlmorel ("Truth is Treason in the Empire of Lies"- George Orwell)
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Thank you. That was a brilliantly done article, just brilliant. I admit that I thought the author hovered a bit too close to the edge of philosophy, the verbiage of which tends to make people's eyes glaze over, but I think he managed to skirt it.

Remarkably well done, IMO.

The author said that, “No, Marxist political theory is not simply a great lie.” and he is right. It ISN’T a lie. It is built on a foundation of lies, but Marxism itself, as practiced, is no lie.

Mr. Hazony stated: “This brings us to the third failing of the Marxist framework. This is the notorious absence of a clear view as to what the underclass, having overthrown its oppressors and seized the state, is supposed to do with its newfound power. Marx is emphatic that once they have control of the state, the oppressed classes will be able to end oppression.” This is not a failing of Marxism, it is inherent in it. Marxism is a grab for power, nothing more, using the tools of Marx and today, Alinsky, to execute that grab. The “Oppressed” will indeed “end oppression” for themselves. They mean to use their newfound power to oppress others. Alinsky is quite frank about his Marxist goals, and those goals have nothing to do with oppression and everything to do with power.

It is important to note that for the Left, control of language is an all important aspect of their march towards tyranny. The author does note this in context, how language, symbology and their meanings are used as weapons by the Left, even against those who were once allied with it. The shifting and adaptable nature of this control of languages and symbols is nothing more than an outright cudgel as a tool of control to frame various issues to persecute and control those who are either too weak minded to pay attention, or those who know full well what is being done but cannot overcome the masses of ignorant people being manipulated and steered in opposition to them.

He also does a great job of framing one of the issues the Left LOVES to employ as an ideological weapon their framing of the term "Equality". I loved the way he laid out these three examples that the Left thinks conservatism has no answer for:

In the end, the answer to all is encoded in their deliberately flawed concept of Equality.

Equality does not mean equality of ability nor the equality of outcome, simply because equality of ability or outcome do not exist and cannot be mandated.

What "equality" REALLY means is the equality of American citizens under our Constitution to pursue Life, Liberty, and Happiness equally.

Not very long ago, most of us living in free societies knew that Marxism was not compatible with democracy. But with liberal institutions overrun by “Progressives” and “Anti-Racists,” much of what was once obvious about Marxism, and much of what was once obvious about democracy, has been forgotten.

I have never been fond of Lord of The Rings quotes, but this paragraph above did bring to mind a particularly relevant quote: “Truth became legend, legend became myth, and some things that should not have been forgotten were lost.

This was depressing to read, and the truth of the the article is clear to ANYONE who has watched the Left for the past several decades.

We have indeed become soft, no doubt. And this softness brings to mind a favorite maxim of many of us:

Hard times create strong men.

Strong men create good times.

Good times create weak men.

And, weak men create hard times.”

25 posted on 08/25/2020 5:30:53 PM PDT by rlmorel ("Truth is Treason in the Empire of Lies"- George Orwell)
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Thank you. I haven’t read an article that good in a long time. The comments were excellent also.


26 posted on 08/25/2020 5:35:18 PM PDT by griswold3 (Democratic Socialism is Slavery by Mob Rule)
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