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1540: Thomas Cromwell
ExecutedToday.com ^ | July 28, 2009 | Headsman

Posted on 07/28/2020 5:08:06 PM PDT by CheshireTheCat

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To: Jan_Sobieski

Yes, it was a wondrous thing for England to free of Rome’s corrupt grip, and embraced by the corrupt grip of the Tudors and their allies, the Cecils and Cromwells. Trading the tyranny of the church for the tyranny of the state is certainly preeminent among the Christian values. /s


21 posted on 07/28/2020 7:14:09 PM PDT by Campion (What part of "shall not be infringed" don't they understand?)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
That series (Wives) had a big affect on me. Just googled it. Keith Michell was Australian?
22 posted on 07/28/2020 7:29:44 PM PDT by fhayek
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To: CheshireTheCat

Interesting. In reading the article, it appears that another famous high government official, who ordered thousands to be executed by the axe, also fell to the axe on this date, 254 years later. Maximilien Robespierre also was executed on this date, courtesy of Madame la Guillotine, in Paris in 1794. Those who live by the sword (axe/guillotine/etc.), die by the sword.


23 posted on 07/28/2020 7:34:42 PM PDT by A Formerly Proud Canadian (I once was blind but now I see...)
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To: Campion

At least they were free to read God’s word in English. William Tyndale’s prayer was answered...Unfortunately after he was burned at the stake by Roman Catholic authorities


24 posted on 07/28/2020 7:59:17 PM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: StoneRainbow68

Yes you are right the acting was very good. It kept me entertained as I worked on my embroidery. Quite fitting!


25 posted on 07/28/2020 8:06:00 PM PDT by magna carta (TX all you have to do is send an email to principal with a witness included on the communication.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

That is an intriguing statement. Can you elaborate on it? So many have gone and seemed to pass through it as a tourist seeing a site I’m thinking you are a sensitive and picked up on something. I’d love to hear more about your visit and thoughts.


26 posted on 07/28/2020 8:08:07 PM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: mware

Going to try and catch that one! Thank you.

When I first saw the Tudors I had never heard of or seen Jonathan Rhys Meyers before and said, “THAT’S supposed to be Henry VIII? He looks more like a tennis pro. A year later I saw him in Match Point AS a tennis pro...lol!

Well, I didn’t like all that graphic sex in the Tudors, what do I need to see Henry VIII having sex for? But at least they did not have a guy that REALLY looked like Henry VIII doing those scenes.


27 posted on 07/28/2020 8:14:48 PM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: CheshireTheCat
If anyone enjoys historical fiction of this period there are a series of books about a hunchbacked lawyer who did work for Thomas Cromwell, mostly stuff associated with dissolution of the monasteries and the legal settlement of the property. Of course, as these things go, he gets wrapped up in various criminal intrigues and is charged to investigate and yadda yadda yadda powerful people now enemies yadda yadda. You know, that sort of thing.

The books range from Cromwell's peak through his fall, the death of Henry VIII and to where it is now, the reign of Henry's son while the lawyer is now working for Elizabeth I, at this point just 2nd in line for the throne behind her brother and sister Mary. The author is C. J. Sansom and the lead character is Matthew Shardlake. I've enjoyed them. The first book in the series is "Dissolution"

28 posted on 07/28/2020 8:23:55 PM PDT by pepsi_junkie (Often wrong, but never in doubt!)
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To: Jan_Sobieski
And don't forget the triumph of smashing all those thousands of babylonian stained glass windows with holy lead pipes and toppling and destroying all the statues in the country, and burning 90% of the books in the entire country including one of the greatest libraries in all of Western history ... with the purifying fire of righteousness of course.

It has been described as a ‘cultural revolution designed to obliterate England’s memory of who and what she had been’. The Reformation is sometimes described as opening closed minds but it might better be described as removing our memory by obliterating our record of the past in order to destroy or fundamentally change our national identity.

https://www.shafe.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/p05-The-Wholesale-Destruction-of-English-Art.pdf

Maybe you'll say a prayer for the protesters in Portland who have taken up this righteous example, wielding their holy lead pipes, toppling all the statues, and sending their incendiary devices against book-filled courthouses that are really just the cathedrals of the old order?

To "obliterate our record of the past in order to destroy or fundamentally change our national identity."?

Cos like wherever did they get that idea?

29 posted on 07/28/2020 10:10:04 PM PDT by edwinland
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To: Beowulf9
I was engaging in a bit of hyperbole when I said "nightmares".But hearing the Yoeman Warder speak of all the murders/executions was quite unsettling.And then there's the story of The Two Princes...also *quite* disturbing.

I know that European history only a few hundred years ago featured barbarity almost unknown today but...well,call me cowardly I guess.

30 posted on 07/29/2020 5:28:24 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (The Rats Just Can't Get Over The Fact That They Lost A Rigged Election!)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

I remember the PBS broadcasts too.

Have watched some of The Tudor on net flicks(?) Very silly show, but the do throw some facts in on occasion.


31 posted on 07/29/2020 5:33:18 AM PDT by KosmicKitty (Who stole my tagline? It was here yesterday.)
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To: edwinland

There is an entire book devoted to English Protestant Martyrs under the Roman Church (Foxes book of Martyrs). Their blood, no doubt, cried out in agreement.


32 posted on 07/29/2020 5:40:56 AM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: Beowulf9

Interesting the way they portray Thomas Cromwell in the Tutors/Wolf Hall, especially the relationship between TC and Thomas More. Truth is it was a brutal time when stealing a pocket handkerchief was a capital crime. Interesting both were accused of the same crime Treason.


33 posted on 07/29/2020 7:37:49 AM PDT by mware (RETIRED)
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