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New video in Ahmaud Arbery case offers a view of what happened moments before the deadly shooting
11Alive youtube channel ^ | May 9,2020 | 11Alive

Posted on 05/10/2020 7:39:27 PM PDT by Widget Jr

It shows a man who appears to be Arbery entering and walking around a house being built. The men who killed Arbery told police they were concerned about break-ins.


TOPICS: Government; Miscellaneous; Society
KEYWORDS: ahmaud; ahmaudarbery; arbery; banglist; executed4looking; georgia; mcmasters; race; shooting; thuglife
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To: dragnet2

if McMasters was not justified in pulling a gun, the Arbery was within his legal rights to defend himself.


61 posted on 05/10/2020 9:11:50 PM PDT by Widget Jr
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To: dragnet2

Take it to court buddy, good luck.

These 2 are going down hard.


62 posted on 05/10/2020 9:12:43 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: bigdaddy45

And shot 3 times?!! at point blank range?!!


63 posted on 05/10/2020 9:14:37 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Widget Jr
Under Georgia law, entering a house under construction and not taking anything is misdemeanor trespass. This lesser category of crime and not being direct witnesses mean that there was no legal right for the McMichaels to make a citizen's arrest.

Nevertheless, the charges against them of murder in the first degree seem unlikely to be sustained even if a conviction can be obtained at trial. At least there is no evidence so far that they initiated the confrontation with a prior intention to kill Arbery. Involuntary manslaughter is probably the strongest charge for which a proper conviction could be obtained.

A delay in the trial or plea deal until after the election though would be in the interests of both the state and the defendants. It would permit public emotions to cool, with pretrial discovery giving both sides the chance to fully assess the facts of the case. And, in case anyone is not fully alert to the larger context, much of the news coverage of this episode is driven by the need of the Democrats to energize the Black and liberal elements of their base.

64 posted on 05/10/2020 9:16:09 PM PDT by Rockingham
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To: Widget Jr
That's not how one defends themselves, as he ended up very dead. What it appears to me is that he didn't like alert neighbors, and when he was being watched, confronted, and faced being detained, caught and or possibly arrested, he decided to run about 60' right at the armed neighbor, attacked and attempted to disarm the neighbor. This was after he was seen, not jogging, but wandering around the inside a home under construction.

You might think this is self defense, I would consider it a decision to commit suicide.

65 posted on 05/10/2020 9:18:34 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Rockingham
Under the principle of lesser included offenses, if I'm reading it right, if this were to go to trial, then the jury could find the McMasters guilty of involuntary manslaughter if the jury thinks they were overcharged? That is assuming it gets that far. The charges may get dropped for the the same reasons the first DA did not file charges.
66 posted on 05/10/2020 9:28:22 PM PDT by Widget Jr
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To: Rockingham

Stupid drips off this story and I’ve posted this before. Several folks here need to read “Deadly Force” by Mossad Ayoob and a few issues of the USCCA magazine. Getting off the criminal charges is only the beginning. That will take deep pockets. The civil suits come next children.


67 posted on 05/10/2020 9:29:36 PM PDT by Equine1952
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To: Rockingham

Not sure about Ga, law.
Tx law says you can shoot someone on your property after dark, says you can shoot thieves even if they are robbing your neighbor.

That said, these guys are seriously in trouble, I would never shoot anyone dead over false theft of a strangers property, even if the guy did steal.

Call the cops, they will say call the insurance company, the insurance company will say was the place secured....

The whole thing stinks.

****ing vigilantes.


68 posted on 05/10/2020 9:36:31 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: libertylover

Uh, no. I can guarantee that is not in the self defense state statute. An attorney with that bad argument will get their clients convicted and sent to death row.


69 posted on 05/10/2020 9:36:59 PM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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To: Equine1952

Amen!


70 posted on 05/10/2020 9:38:54 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Equine1952

Most of the fools here don’t know who Mossad Ayoob is.


71 posted on 05/10/2020 9:42:00 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massad_Ayoob


72 posted on 05/10/2020 9:42:46 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

Well if folks think it ends with Not Guilty, they ought to talk to OJ Simpson. They can bohica and say hi.


73 posted on 05/10/2020 9:47:37 PM PDT by Equine1952
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To: Widget Jr

You are correct. I see VERY POOR understanding of what is self defense here; based on whatever bias they have. Arbery was in his rights, those neighbors overstepped theirs. Some of these armchair defense attorneys would get their clients sent straight to the chair.


74 posted on 05/10/2020 9:55:42 PM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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To: Widget Jr
The jury instructions will specify if that is so. Judges tend to defer to defendants in that regard. The larger point is that if the charge of murder in the first cannot be sustained on the facts, the judge should dismiss it before the case goes to the jury.

By maintaining a dispassionate manner and tone, good judges work to manage the expectations and ease the fears and passions of the parties and the public. American trial practice and procedure provide many ways to do that.

For example, a judge can let questionable criminal charges be investigated and tried in full in spite of apparent defects, but then dismiss the most severe charge before the case is submitted to the jury. This is an especially useful tactic if the media has hyped the case but the testimony at trial proves inadequate for anything more than a lesser included charge.

75 posted on 05/10/2020 9:59:40 PM PDT by Rockingham
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To: mylife
Most of the fools here don’t know who Mossad Ayoob is.

Especially when his name is misspelled.

It is Massad, not Mossad.

76 posted on 05/10/2020 10:00:10 PM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: mylife
Laws apply different in each jurisdiction. Self defense usually have some basics 1) defense of personal property 2) threat to bodily harm 3) a response that is proportional to the threat 4) duty to retreat/escalate. There are a few others, depending jurisdiction.

These 2 are going to have trouble meeting those.

77 posted on 05/10/2020 10:02:43 PM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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To: Equine1952

Even if the McMichaels avoid prison time, they have years of grief ahead of them.


78 posted on 05/10/2020 10:03:26 PM PDT by Rockingham
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I always go next door with a shotgun and confront the neighbors when their kid is playing drums at 2 AM /s

A man is dead, and these guys have ruined their own lives, for what?


79 posted on 05/10/2020 10:05:00 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: marktwain

That was my fault probably. I never spell his name right. He has a great explanation of the 21 foot rule. If you gotta bitch about spelling you really need a hobby.


80 posted on 05/10/2020 10:06:36 PM PDT by Equine1952
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