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Is the Coronavirus Unprecedented? In lethality, No. What is unprecedented about the Wuhan virus is the reaction to it by world governments
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| 05/07/2020
| John Hinderaker
Posted on 05/07/2020 8:07:58 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
Is the Coronavirus Unprecedented?
Over and over, we see it asserted that the Wuhan epidemic is an “unprecedented” public health crisis. In what sense is that true? Certainly the reaction to COVID-19 is unprecedented; never before have we substantially shut down our country as a public health measure. But is the virus itself really unprecedented in its lethality or its impact on public health?
A reader writes:
Im surprised that so little has been written about what, if anything, we can learn about the present moment from comparison / contrast with the pandemics of 1957-8 and 1968. It seems all the interest has focused on 1918-19.
Im just now learning about these mid-20th century pandemics. Ive been reading and consulting the sources referenced on this this CDC site.
* In 1968, I see, for example, “The estimated number of deaths was 1 million worldwide and about 100,000 in the United States. Most excess deaths were in people 65 years and older.”
* In 1957-8, the virus was “first reported in Singapore in February 1957, Hong Kong in April 1957, and in coastal cities in the United States in summer 1957. The estimated number of deaths was 1.1 million worldwide and 116,000 in the United States.” From further reading, it seems this strain of flu was not often fatal in children, but was very dangerous for the elderly, those with other health problems, and for pregnant women.
The 1957-58 virus was known as the Asian flu, while the 1968 version was called the Hong Kong flu. I was a college student in 1968, and I have no memory of any widespread concern about the flu virus at that time. Certainly no one proposed shutting down schools, businesses, travel, and so on.
We don’t need to go that far back in time for another parallel. Just two years ago, the 2017-18 flu season, that year’s virus killed an estimated 62,000 Americans. Based on news reports, I believe the CDC originally estimated the death toll at 80,000 and later reduced that estimate to 62,000. Moreover, if we look at the numbers globally rather than focusing only on the U.S., the average seasonal flu virus kills around 468,000 people. This is a simple chart that I have updated from time to time. From the left, the bars show the average worldwide fatality total for seasonal flu, per the WHO; the COVID-19 global death total, per WHO; the number killed in the U.S. by the flu virus two years ago, per CDC; and this year’s U.S. COVID-19 total, per CDC.

According to the WHO, we are now a little over half-way to an average flu season. My guess is that the global COVID-19 count will, in the end, modestly exceed the average for seasonal flu. The U.S. numbers are not necessarily an apples-to-apples comparison. The 2017-18 total is an estimate, while the COVID-19 figure doesn’t purport to be the total of those actually killed by the virus–headlines to the contrary notwithstanding–but includes an unknown number who died from something else (e.g., cancer) and happened to have coronavirus symptoms when they died. So those totals aren’t comparing apples and apples, more like comparing an orange and a pear.
Still, the conclusion is reasonably clear. What is unprecedented about the Wuhan virus is not the lethality of the disease, but rather the reaction to it by many of the world’s governments.
This is as good a time as any to add an international comparison. This chart shows the per capita death rates, in fatalities per million, for the 12 countries with the highest such rates. For now, the U.S. rate compares favorably to those in the European countries that have been hit hard by the virus. I don’t know, however, whether countries follow the same protocol in counting COVID deaths. My guess is that they don’t, and that some countries only count fatalities actually caused by the disease.

I speculate further that the U.S. rate is lower than the major European countries mostly because the disease arrived here later. In the end, my guess is that, allowing for random variation, different methods of counting fatalities, and demographics (i.e., the percentage of elderly people in the population), countries will generally have similar fatality rates, and varying methods of “fighting” the virus will be found to have made little difference. But that is only a guess.
TOPICS: Health/Medicine; History; Science; Society
KEYWORDS: coronavirus; hysteria; lethality; shutdown
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To: SeekAndFind
and the reaction by the media
and by the reaction of otherwise more level-headed people buying into the hysteria fear
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posted on
05/07/2020 8:10:29 PM PDT
by
Secret Agent Man
(Gone Galt; Not Averse to Going Bronson.)
To: SeekAndFind
I believe that there is still a tremendous amount we still dont know about this virus.
I also think that what we dont know scares the bejeebers out of virologists.
To: SeekAndFind
If we had the Hong Kong Flu today, we would probably see at least 250,000 deaths because our population, especially 65+ is much greater today than back then.
To: MinorityRepublican
Just for comparison, while the HK flu was raging, the Woodstock festival occurred. I was in my senior year in high school. No shut downs. Frankly, I don’t even remember it being an issue then.
To: Secret Agent Man
Well, it’s an election year and Orange Man Bad.
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posted on
05/07/2020 8:24:04 PM PDT
by
Salamander
(Flying Colours....)
To: SeekAndFind
The Asian flu was sweeping the world as the first satellites were flying into space. A rock and roller on the Gulf Coast took note.
Satellite Fever and the Asiatic Flu--Paul Perryman (1958)
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posted on
05/07/2020 8:24:55 PM PDT
by
Fiji Hill
To: ModelBreaker
My mom had it bad.
I was 7.
My dad took care of her and all she did was stay in bed for a couple weeks.
The end.
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posted on
05/07/2020 8:25:31 PM PDT
by
Salamander
(Flying Colours....)
To: ModelBreaker
I’m pretty sure the Hong Kong flu had long since run its course by the time Woodstock took place. It was a big issue in late ‘68—early ‘69, but by the late spring, it was old news.
In late 1968, the Hong Kong flu swept through the Minnesota Vikings, which may have contributed to their 33-3 loss to the Los Angeles Rams. However, they apparently gave the bug to the Rams, who lost to Chicago the next week.
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posted on
05/07/2020 8:31:05 PM PDT
by
Fiji Hill
To: SeekAndFind
Plandemic.
Shamdemic.
Fauxdemic.
Why does no one point out that last calendar year we had 60-80K people that died from ‘The Flu’ and a flu THAT ALREADY HAS A VACCINE?!?!?
Am I the last sane person on this planet? I know I’m not the smartest, but Geeze Louise!
What a flippin’ scam.
And the people that gained from this and led the world astray need to be shot. At dawn. No smokes, no blindfolds!
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posted on
05/07/2020 8:33:11 PM PDT
by
Diana in Wisconsin
(I don't have 'hobbies.' I'm developing a robust post-Apocalyptic skill set.)
To: SeekAndFind
Not really an unprecedented reaction at all. In response to the Spanish Flu outbreak all the way back in 1918, the city of St. Louis closed all schools, movie theaters, and pool halls It also banned all public gatherings.
San Francisco mandated wearing masks in public closed schools, banned social gatherings, and closed all places of public amusement.
In Cleveland, theaters, movie houses, dance halls, schools, night schools, churches, and Sunday Schools were ordered to close. Outdoor gatherings required approval from the city and other businesses could only operate with restricted hours.
St. Paul Minnesota enacted a closing order for the whole city, including schools, theaters, churches, and dance halls.
Most major cities in the US had similar orders in effect. So this idea that all this suddenly came out of nowhere without any precedence is pure fantasy. The reality is that we’ve done this before when faced with a scary pandemic and our country didn’t come to an end then. We didn’t dissolve into a fascist dictatorship, we didn’t lose our democracy, we didn’t destroy our economy, and we didn’t all turn into socialists.
The initial projections said as many as 2.2 million Americans would die if no action was taken to slow this. With the massive lockdowns coast to coast, we’re still going to lose upwards of 130,000 American lives. I don’t think it’s crazy to think that number would have been much higher if the entire country looked like New York City where they’re loading bodies into refrigerated trucks with forklifts because the hospitals are overwhelmed and the morgues are overflowing. In purely economic terms, the US Federal government values each American life at $10 Million. With 2.2 million Americans dead, that would equate to $22 Trillion in losses according to the numbers they use.
To: Diana in Wisconsin
Last flu season (2018-2019) saw 34,000 flu deaths. You’re thinking of 2017-2018, which saw 61,000 deaths (not “80k”). That flu season was the worst in decades in terms of deaths. The average in the US is about 35,000 flu deaths in a whole year. We’re 3 months in with COVID-19 and we’ve already had 73,000 deaths. Not for a year (like how flu deaths are tracked), but for about 3 months of significant infection in the US.
Recent projections from multiple sources show that even with the enormous lockdown measures across the country and social distancing (none of which we do with the flu), we’re still going to hit around 135,000 dead Americans, and that’s WITHOUT this coming back worse in the fall like Spanish Flu did in 1918.
We let the flu spread uncontrolled and it kills 35,000 on average in an entire year. With lots of effort from everyone trying to slow it down as much as possible, COVID-19 has killed more than 73,000 Americans in 3 months.
To: Fiji Hill
The Vikings have always been looking for an excuse.
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posted on
05/07/2020 8:59:34 PM PDT
by
wjcsux
(Inside every DemocRAT politician is a fascist dictator screaming to be let loose.)
To: 2aProtectsTheRest
People aren’t trusting those numbers...esp. when those in Hospice or with other comorbidities are counted as Covid. Wonder what this year’s flu deaths look like number wise?
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posted on
05/07/2020 9:44:31 PM PDT
by
goodnesswins
(Anyone tired of the Chinese Fire Drill (tm) yet???)
To: 2aProtectsTheRest
To be completely transparent the 2017-2018 bad flu season does have a margin of error from 46,404 fatalities up to 94,987 fatalities (61K in the middle).
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2017-2018.htm
Still bit early to make “it is just the flu” or “it’s bad, very bad” generalities...the numbers can be made to look just about any way you want...for CA only COVOD-19 is less serious than regular flu so far, for the US as a whole excluding N.Y. & N.J. (subway & Cuomo hell w/o a vaccine) then COVID is about as bad as regular flu...if you include N.Y. & N.J. then it is about 2x as bad as regular flu.
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posted on
05/07/2020 9:56:25 PM PDT
by
Drago
To: SeekAndFind
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posted on
05/07/2020 10:24:59 PM PDT
by
Mrs. Don-o
(Tell the truth about goodness, tell the truth about evil, and don't side with the Enemy.)
To: SeekAndFind
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posted on
05/07/2020 11:01:47 PM PDT
by
Nifster
(I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
To: SeekAndFind
I tagged it as a ‘panic pandemic’ pretty much from day 1.
Certainly I didn’t comprehend all the subterfuge behind it all, though.
Deny
Delay
Distract
Distract
Distract
“Orange Man Bad”
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posted on
05/08/2020 2:19:51 AM PDT
by
Oscar in Batangas
( (January 20, 2017, High Noon. The end of an error.))
To: 2aProtectsTheRest
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posted on
05/08/2020 6:15:55 AM PDT
by
Diana in Wisconsin
(I don't have 'hobbies.' I'm developing a robust post-Apocalyptic skill set.)
To: 2aProtectsTheRest; All
P.S. Nice Try, Newbie. I see you signed up YESTERDAY to spread more fear.
*Rolleyes*
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posted on
05/08/2020 6:19:38 AM PDT
by
Diana in Wisconsin
(I don't have 'hobbies.' I'm developing a robust post-Apocalyptic skill set.)
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