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Data Manipulation Right Here at Home?
The Western Journal ^ | April 4, 2020 | C. Douglas Golden

Posted on 04/05/2020 1:08:19 PM PDT by Old Man From WV

Issued March 24, the guidance tells hospitals to list COVID-19 as a cause of death regardless of whether or not there’s actual testing to confirm that’s the case. Instead, even if the coronavirus was just a contributing factor or if it’s “assumed to have caused or contributed to death,” it can be listed as the primary cause.

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If you've considered the idea there might be those taking advantage of the pandemic to seize more control and more of our freedom, look at this. If you think China has lied or government models shown at White House press conferences use models that tend to inflate potential deaths, check this out.

It appears the CDC has issued new guidance as of March 24th, that will show the cause of death to be coronavirus in cases that are untested and in those with other serious health problems that may be the real cause.

If we had those in power who wanted to take advantage and seize more power, wouldn't be to their advantage to instill more fear? Just look at what the leftists and the news media are doing already.

1 posted on 04/05/2020 1:08:19 PM PDT by Old Man From WV
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To: Old Man From WV

NY has been padding the numbers, counting everything as coronavirus

Shot a killed by some gang banger piece of garbage? Cornovirus

etc


2 posted on 04/05/2020 1:10:17 PM PDT by Trump.Deplorable
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To: Old Man From WV

In almost all cases of death in this country the probable cause of death is listed as the cause. Sorry to break up your conspiracy theory, but this is nothing new. There aren’t enough medical examiners to go around. And even if you text a corpse to prove they had Covid-19 that does not necessarily make the virus the cause of death. So, what’s the point of testing?


3 posted on 04/05/2020 1:15:31 PM PDT by Artemis Webb (There are only two genders.)
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To: Old Man From WV
Here's the CDC directive

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/coronavirus/Alert-2-New-ICD-code-introduced-for-COVID-19-deaths.pdf

Should “COVID-19” be reported on the death certificate only with a confirmed test?​,

​ COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death. Certifiers should include as much detail as possible based on their knowledge of the case, medical records, laboratory testing, etc. If the decedent had other chronic conditions such as COPD or asthma that may have also contributed, these conditions can be reported in Part II. (See attached Guidance for Certifying COVID-19 Deaths)​

4 posted on 04/05/2020 1:15:38 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (A Leftist can't enjoy life unless they are controlling, hurting, or destroying others)
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To: Artemis Webb

*test, not text. Damn spell correct!


5 posted on 04/05/2020 1:16:30 PM PDT by Artemis Webb (There are only two genders.)
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To: SauronOfMordor

Add to this the prospect of Fed Gov paying a bounty to local/state government, and hospitals, for each diagnosis of Covid-19. Reckon that will skew the data?


6 posted on 04/05/2020 1:18:21 PM PDT by abb
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To: Artemis Webb

Read the CDC memo at my post #4. Covid doesn’t need to be the cause. That it “contributed to” the death is sufficient.

If the patient is stage 4 cancer, and a plausible argument could be made that his death was in any way hastened by Covid, then he gets tagged as Covid (and the hospital gets federal funds)


7 posted on 04/05/2020 1:20:33 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (A Leftist can't enjoy life unless they are controlling, hurting, or destroying others)
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To: abb
"Issued March 24, the guidance tells hospitals to list COVID-19 as a cause of death regardless of whether or not there’s actual testing to confirm that’s the case. Instead, even if the coronavirus was just a contributing factor or if it’s “assumed to have caused or contributed to death,” it can be listed as the primary cause."

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What a surprise.

/s

8 posted on 04/05/2020 1:26:04 PM PDT by a little elbow grease (... to err is human, to admit it unusual...)
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To: SauronOfMordor

So how long do you suggest be spent and what resources do you want committed to finding out if the actual cause of death was Covid-19 or stage 4 cancer?


9 posted on 04/05/2020 1:28:05 PM PDT by Artemis Webb (There are only two genders.)
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To: Old Man From WV

“A”, not “the”.

NYC has an average deaths/day of about 202.

Since last Monday, through Saturday’s reporting numbers, the deaths attributed to the Coronavirus alone has been 292/day.

That is so far out from your conspiracy-theory...


10 posted on 04/05/2020 1:30:29 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Old Man From WV

https://youtu.be/zSBgXJpje74


11 posted on 04/05/2020 1:32:14 PM PDT by isthisnickcool (1218 - NEVER FORGET!)
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To: SauronOfMordor

If the patient is stage 4 cancer, and a plausible argument could be made that his death was in any way hastened by Covid, then he gets tagged as Covid


You know: Just like with the flu, or a staph infection.


12 posted on 04/05/2020 1:32:27 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Artemis Webb

If the patient died of pneumonia triggered by covid -19, then he died of covid -19.

If the person has stage 4 cancer, and was going to die this week whether or not he had covid-19, then the doctor should be honest about the real primary cause of death.


13 posted on 04/05/2020 1:32:40 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (A Leftist can't enjoy life unless they are controlling, hurting, or destroying others)
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To: SauronOfMordor

or not he had covid-19, then the doctor should be honest about the real primary cause of death.
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Probably isn’t a ‘bonus’ for cancer deaths while still one for beerflu.

If one gets money for a certain disease doesn’t it make ‘sense’ to claim ALL deaths are from the certain disease?

Also funny how ‘we’ are all glued to our seats while being advised how to act/react by the same people who were charged with keeping sufficient supplies for an emergency?

Like if you are driving a wrecker and your job is to pull the truck off the front porch of a house, you damn sure don’t want/need the guy who put the truck there telling you how to get it off.

FOLLOW THE MONEY.


15 posted on 04/05/2020 1:39:09 PM PDT by xrmusn (6/98"HRC is the Grandmother that lures Hansel & Gretel to the pot")
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To: Old Man From WV

The government lied. It’s what governments do.


16 posted on 04/05/2020 1:42:40 PM PDT by motor_racer (If you don't read the news, you are uninformed. If you read the news, you are misinformed.)
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To: SauronOfMordor
Here's the CDC directive re death certificates and corona virus:

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/coronavirus/Alert-2-New-ICD-code-introduced-for-COVID-19-deaths.pdf

Should “COVID-19” be reported on the death certificate only with a confirmed test?​ ​

COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death. Certifiers should include as much detail as possible based on their knowledge of the case, medical records, laboratory testing, etc.

If the decedent had other chronic conditions such as COPD or asthma that may have also contributed, these conditions can be reported in Part II. (See attached Guidance for Certifying COVID-19 Deaths)​

4 posted on 4/5/2020, 1:15:38 PM by SauronOfMordor (A Leftist can't enjoy life unless they are controlling, hurting, or destroying others)

17 posted on 04/05/2020 1:43:48 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (NYers fleeing NY are presumed to be infected. They should be tested/quarantined in any other state!)
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To: Grampa Dave

So, in short, the guidance is to do it the normal way, and not by a changed standard, higher or lower.


18 posted on 04/05/2020 1:53:33 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: motor_racer

I am a little surprised by the push-back this story is getting here to defend the CDC who obviously changed some rules in the middle of the game. When you ask why, you suddenly become a conspiracy theorist.

Me thinks they do protest too much when they try to use the number of deaths per day in NY in the argument. There was no mention of that. The subject of the thread was the determination of the cause of death.


20 posted on 04/05/2020 2:00:55 PM PDT by Old Man From WV
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