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Was Woodrow Wilson a great wartime leader or a globalist disaster?
https://freedom-demokrasi-and-civilised-humanity.com ^ | 2nd April 2020 | Ozguy1945

Posted on 04/02/2020 12:34:58 PM PDT by Ozguy1945

Today is the 103rd anniversary of Woodrow Wilson’s speech to congress calling for a declaration of war on Germany.

https://freedom-demokrasi-and-civilised-humanity.com/2020/04/02/woodrow-wilson-was-he-a-father-of-the-greatest-generation-or-globalist-disaster/

Why has this feature of the American system – congressional declaration of war as opposed to authorisation of military force – disappeared? Which method worked better?

Is the rejection of the Democrats by the people at the elections of 2020 a fair judgement on Wilson’s presidency?

Who were the fathers of The Greatest Generation?


TOPICS: History; Military/Veterans; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: freedom; globalism; potus; ww1
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To: Leaning Right

Bush created Ron Paul’s candidacy which got approx 10% in Republican primaries.

The equivalent strong anti-war stance in the alleged Democrats’ primaries from serving Major Tulsi Gabbard never got close to that. Consistently 1-2%. On other policies she was a Bernie Sanders loyalist.

For me, it beggars belief that the party of Bobby and John Kennedy is now the party of warmongers.

Was it ever thus?

Or has something changed?


81 posted on 04/02/2020 2:27:13 PM PDT by Ozguy1945
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To: Ozguy1945
Or has something changed?

Yes, very much so. The demographics of the Democrat party has substantially changed, to that of dependents, minorities, immigrants, and all sort of disaffected malcontents. These types are easily propagandized and manipulated by demagogic politicians. Since this conglomeration is a fairly large voting block, their demagogic politicians are then bought off/recruited by the wealthy corporatists, crony capitalists and globalists, many of whom represent the welfare-warfare-security state contingent, who are very much into profiting and enhancing their societal power, from warfare and its resource-stripping from the third world.

82 posted on 04/02/2020 2:44:36 PM PDT by bkopto
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To: Leaning Right

I am currently crafting a new Free Republic post quoting part of your comment. I think it was brilliant and should be more widely read.

But I am not quoting your name just in case people get angry. I will wear that if it happens.

Feel free to identify yourself there if you wish.


83 posted on 04/02/2020 2:51:48 PM PDT by Ozguy1945
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To: Ozguy1945

“Was Woodrow Wilson a great wartime leader?”
Good question. I enjoy reading the comments here and learning. I agree that Wilson was a selfish fool who ignored the citizens.


84 posted on 04/02/2020 3:04:23 PM PDT by Falconspeed
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To: Ozguy1945

Like Wilson, Biden’s wife would be running things and the media would run cover.


85 posted on 04/02/2020 3:05:16 PM PDT by RasterMaster ("Towering genius disdains a beaten path." - Abraham Lincoln)
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To: bkopto

I like your page.


86 posted on 04/02/2020 4:01:47 PM PDT by arthurus (covfefe11)
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To: Ozguy1945

Wilson was more than a president—he was a dictator with great powers to jail anyone he thought was against his asinine and dangerous proposals. He even jailed a US Representative and had a group of 1000+ brown shirt-like guys who had power to jail anyone they wished.


87 posted on 04/02/2020 4:22:48 PM PDT by Paulus Invictus (Paulus)
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To: Ozguy1945

Thank you for touching base. Permit me to add one more thing.

Years ago I read an article written by an American who happened to be in Greece on 9/11. He was touched by the reaction of the Greeks he met. They would come up to him and say “We are all Americans now.”

With his invasion of Iraq, Bush II threw all that goodwill away. He destroyed what could have been a united front against radical Islam. He turned America from a victim into an aggressor. And he turned the Muslims from aggressors into (perceived) victims.

I have no personal animosity towards Bush II. I suppose he is a decent enough guy. But his actions were unforgivable.


88 posted on 04/02/2020 4:22:50 PM PDT by Leaning Right (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)
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To: bkopto

Worst presidents ever:
1. Obama
2. Wilson
3. FDR
4. Carter
5. Pierce


89 posted on 04/02/2020 4:58:47 PM PDT by Bommer (I am a MAGA-Deplorian! It is the way! It is the only way!)
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To: DesertRhino

“The draft was outlawed after the civil war with the 13th amendment.”

What court case outlawed the draft after the 13th Amendment was ratified.


90 posted on 04/02/2020 5:00:20 PM PDT by Bull Snipe
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To: Ozguy1945

Wilson was a globalist disaster.

He was a rotten president in so many ways only surpassed by Lincoln.


91 posted on 04/02/2020 5:26:04 PM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: bkopto

I grew up believeing that the Democrats were the party of the “Little Guy”.

Now they are just the party of the Hollywood Elite.


92 posted on 04/02/2020 5:30:06 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: FLT-bird

An unorthodox opnion.

What do you find wrong with Lincoln?


93 posted on 04/02/2020 5:53:09 PM PDT by Ozguy1945
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To: Ozguy1945

Unconstitutionally started a war of aggression for money and empire. Trampled on the constitution and civil liberties while doing so (difficult to name one of the bill of rights he did not violate). Signed an arrest warrant for the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court after the chief justice ruled in ex parte Merryman that Lincoln’s arrest of citizens without charge or trial was unconstitutional. Committed ethnic cleansing and genocide against the Santee Sioux after their uprising due to Lincoln refusing to obey the treaty the US Government made with them. He also did the same with the nearby Winnebago who didn’t even participate in the uprising. Was the only POTUS in history to order a mass execution. (read all about this in 38 Nooses). Was personally corrupt lining his own pockets by buying up real estate in Council Bluffs, Iowa before naming....gosh what a coincidence....Council Bluffs Iowa as the terminus for the western railway. Shut down over 100 opposition newspapers by military force. Censored all telegraph traffic. Imprisoned an estimated 13,000 Americans in federal gulags without charge or trial or at best “trial” before military tribunals. Those Americans were sometimes tortured in those federal gulags.

The list goes on and on. He was a tyrant.


94 posted on 04/02/2020 6:49:42 PM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: arthurus

Thank you. I love the quote there.


95 posted on 04/02/2020 8:11:09 PM PDT by bkopto
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To: x; LS

Thanks for the ping, x.

From the article/blog from this post:

“He was elected as America’s 28th president (POTUS 28) in 1912 on a platform called The New Freedom advocating limited government”

and which is taken nearly straight from the Wikipedia entry for “New Freedom: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Freedom#Campaign_slogan_in_1912

Wilson was a “limited government” candidate? LOL. I’d love to waste a trip down the rabbit hole to see how that one ended up on the wiki page. It’s alluded to but not illuminated on that wiki entry, that Wilson’s “New Freedom” was merely a divergent take on TR’s “New Nationalism” whereby Wilson, a straight progressive, deflected TR by calling for outright destruction of all trusts, not just the “bad trusts” that TR attacked. As a D, Wilson also wanted low tariffs, supposedly to protect the consumer and the farmer, but more specifically as anti-business. As others here have noted, Wilson was a big-state, regulatory, economic interventionist who was able impose the logic of his program during WWI with his economic regime of wage, price and other economic controls, including practical nationalization of the railroads.

All these “New”’s from the period would be hilarious but for FDR’s “New Deal” that enshrined much of the program permanently. If we can credit Taft for anything, it’d be for sticking to the “old” in face the onslaught of the “new”. Here from Taft in 1910, recognizing the progressive tide:

“The present political situation is a curious one. Indeed, the condition of public opinion is curious. It seems to be feeling the effect of the flood of misrepresentation which manifests itself in a protest against everything and everybody who is not in the forefront crying ‘Stop thief!’”


96 posted on 04/02/2020 8:30:01 PM PDT by nicollo (I said no!)
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To: Ozguy1945

Easily the most disastrous president in US history. The Federal Reserve Act and Income tax Acts alone are enough to forever tarnish his legacy. We’re still paying for his decisions 107 years later. And people thought James Buchanan was a horrible president. ;)


97 posted on 04/02/2020 10:32:40 PM PDT by Perhaps Today
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To: Ozguy1945

WW1 started the madness of the 20th century.


98 posted on 04/03/2020 1:34:45 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Dear Mr. Kotter, #Epsteindidntkillhimself - Signed, Epstein's Mother)
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To: Ozguy1945

He had a stroke and his wife ran things with help from other socialists.


99 posted on 04/03/2020 12:37:17 PM PDT by minnesota_bound (homeless guy. He just has more money....He the master will plant more cotton for the democrat party)
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