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Birmingham, Alabama has 53 Times the National Average of Justifiable Homicides
AmmoLand ^ | 6 December, 2019 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 12/08/2019 4:32:03 AM PST by marktwain

Birmingham, Alabama has 53 times the National Average of Justifiable Homicides – Image courtesy Dean Weingarten

In 2019, Birmingham, Alabama has reported a justifiable homicide rate 53 times the national average, as reported in the FBI Uniform Crime Reports.

From bhamwiki.com:

11 of the reported homicides were ruled justifiable as self-defense by investigators or prosecutors and 3 resulted from reckless driving. The suspect in another murder was shot to death on the scene and another killed himself. One death resulted from a violent act committed the previous year. One other homicide took place at the Jefferson County Jail outside the city's jurisdiction. The police department, therefore, acknowledges 82 chargeable homicides. Suspects have been identified in 49 of those cases, arrested in 46 and charged in 41. Charges in one case were dismissed.

Justifiable homicides are severely under-reported in the FBI Uniform Crime Statistics (UCR).  At least two studies indicate there are over five times as many justifiable homicides in the United States as indicated in the FBI UCR numbers. The UCR uses a very restrictive definition of justifiable homicide.

When justifiable homicides are carefully tracked, there are found to be more than five times as many as the FBI UCR records.

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To: Vaquero

That means that a lot of people were not helpless victims of crime and criminals. What is wrong with this?


21 posted on 12/08/2019 5:33:27 AM PST by dhs12345
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To: Vaquero
The article is showing the FBI figures seriously undercount both police and non-police justifiable homicides.

If the total number of homicides are close (the CDC has the figure at 19,510 for 2018), about 1/8th of homicides in the United States are justified.

If we use the CDC figures and estimate 2,500 justifiable homicides each year, the percent of justifiable homicides is 12.8%, with about 7.7% of those by non-police.

22 posted on 12/08/2019 5:40:49 AM PST by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: Openurmind

I’m thinkin’ that if she pulls the trigger all she’s gunna get is a click. Don’t see anything in the cylinder. But then again, always assume a gun is loaded.


23 posted on 12/08/2019 5:42:46 AM PST by super7man (Madam Defarge, knitting, knitting, always knitting)
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To: BenLurkin
75% black city.

You move there and put your money where your mouth is.

Oh, and bring your flag.

24 posted on 12/08/2019 5:44:24 AM PST by riri
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To: dhs12345
That means that a lot of people were not helpless victims of crime and criminals. What is wrong with this?

We can't let the cattle know that that sheep dogs won't always be around to protect them, or that in the end, the rancher doesn't have their best interest at heart.

Stories like this shatter the narrative that all guns are bad.

25 posted on 12/08/2019 5:56:37 AM PST by Repeat Offender (While the wicked stand confounded, call me with Thy saints surrounded.)
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To: PapaBear3625

That’s a beefy underwire.


26 posted on 12/08/2019 6:01:30 AM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: PapaBear3625

Prolly causes sagging.


27 posted on 12/08/2019 6:11:12 AM PST by umgud
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To: super7man

Yeah I saw that too, empty and obviously just an inert set up photo op. :)

I don’t recognize what the revolver is or what caliber it is but it looks like an antique or reproduction and maybe .45 long Colt.


28 posted on 12/08/2019 6:13:55 AM PST by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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To: litehaus

LOL, most of the Pentikostels I know are home in bed by 8:00. :-) Now the Amish, they are up all night.


29 posted on 12/08/2019 6:16:44 AM PST by Tennessee Conservative
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To: PapaBear3625

Looks like it would be difficult to reach in a hurry.


30 posted on 12/08/2019 6:23:36 AM PST by arthurus (wvBB,,Bo|_^_|/][/\/;*;;vV.,--)
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To: Openurmind

1868 Tranter .442 rim fire some where around 50 still inexistence.


31 posted on 12/08/2019 6:24:03 AM PST by riverrunner ( o the public,)
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To: riri

Who wants to take a guess at demographic background? Memphis on steroids.


32 posted on 12/08/2019 6:36:37 AM PST by icclearly
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To: marktwain

Demographics my boy, demographics.


33 posted on 12/08/2019 6:53:24 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: super7man
I’m thinkin’ that if she pulls the trigger all she’s gunna get is a click. Don’t see anything in the cylinder. But then again, always assume a gun is loaded.

Its an 1868 model Tranter in .442 rimfire. Ammunition was only made for a few years. Any that you find is worth a small fortune as a collector item. The chances of it going bang after 150 years are likely no more than 80%.

Of course, with a little thought, a person could make ammunition for it...

Better to sell it (collector value over $1,000) and buy a nice new Glock with holster, extra magazines, and a couple thousand practice rounds...

34 posted on 12/08/2019 6:58:10 AM PST by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: icclearly
Who wants to take a guess at demographic background? Memphis on steroids.

The last time I was in Birmingham, I remember wanting to get the hell out of Birmingham.

The place isn't Liberia, but give it some time.

35 posted on 12/08/2019 7:11:57 AM PST by SIDENET (ISAIAH 5:20)
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36 posted on 12/08/2019 7:15:00 AM PST by PROCON (Molon Labe)
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To: SIDENET

“ The last time I was in Birmingham, ”
Stopped at the gas station at the airport exit to refill the rental car. Had an older black man walk right up and start asking for money. Very bold in his request. Middle of the day and these Ner-do-wells begging for money.
I too was glad to be on the plane back to Texas, center earth!


37 posted on 12/08/2019 7:33:45 AM PST by 9422WMR
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To: PapaBear3625

Until recently, and possibly still true today, is that police homicides didn’t have to be reported, and so the information *wasn’t even collected*, leading to an obvious opportunity for under-reporting.


38 posted on 12/08/2019 7:47:47 AM PST by coloradan (The Enemy Media isn't chartered to inform but rather to advance the interests of certain elites.)
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To: dhs12345
Although not ideal, carry purses are much better. They are not obvious and you can carry a full sized pistol.

Problem is, in a mugging, the first thing the mugger grabs for is the purse. Now he's got your gun too.

39 posted on 12/08/2019 7:49:58 AM PST by PapaBear3625 ("Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities." -- Voltaire)
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To: marktwain
As noted in the article, the FBI only catches about 20% of non-police justifiable homicides.

Also, justifiable homicides are only a fraction of justifiable gun usages. For civilian cases, the ideal outcome involves no shots fire.

In my own case, I only had to draw on somebody once. He decided to turn and leave quickly, and I continued on my way. Didn't bother to file a police report, so it would not turn up in statistics.

40 posted on 12/08/2019 7:54:12 AM PST by PapaBear3625 ("Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities." -- Voltaire)
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