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Ambassador Bill Taylor's Troubling Testimony
Powerline ^ | 10/23/2019 | Paul Mirengoff

Posted on 10/23/2019 7:25:24 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

Text messages released weeks ago showed that Bill Taylor believed the Trump administration was conditioning the release of military aid to Ukraine on a Ukrainian investigation of Trump’s political opponents. Yesterday, in testimony before Congress, Taylor described the events that caused him to believe this.

If Taylor is telling the truth, he had a sound basis for believing that, for a while, there was a quid pro quo relationship between the release of aid and an investigation by Ukraine of the Bidens. He testified about a conversation with a National Security Council official who informed him that Gordon Sondland, our ambassador to the EU, had told a high level Ukrainain that “security assistance money would not come until President Zelenskyy committed to pursue the Burisma investigation.” Burisma is the company on whose board Hunter Biden served.

Taylor also testified that he asked Sondland whether aid was conditioned on the investigation. Sondland responded that Trump had told him he wants President Zelenskyy to state publicly that Ukraine will investigate Burisma and alleged Ukrainian interference in the 2016 U.S. election and that “everything” was dependent on such an announcement, including security assistance.

That’s a quid pro quo.

Is Taylor telling the truth? I think so. There’s nothing in his background that suggests he’s a partisan Democrat or sleazy “Deep Stater” who would lie to hurt the president.

Taylor is a West Point grad. He served in Vietnam. He was appointed ambassador to Ukraine by George W. Bush and asked to return to the diplomatic corps as charge d’affaires in Ukraine by Mike Pompeo.

Ask yourself which is more likely, that Trump, the “transactional” president, would scheme as Taylor describes to injure a political opponent or that Taylor would invent a story to this effect. I think it’s former.

Was Sondland telling Taylor the truth about what Trump said to him? Again, I assume so. Why would Sondland misrepresent Trump’s instructions? He had no strong reason to want an investigation of Joe Biden. Trump did.

Later Sondland told Taylor that Trump had insisted there is no quid pro quo. But this seems like a case of exalting labeling over substance (as well as a case of CYA). Indeed, Sondland informed Taylor that he had told Ukraine’s president Zelenskyy that, although this was not a quid pro quo, if Zelenskyy did not “clear things up” in public, we would be at a “stalemate.”

Taylor said he understood a “stalemate” to mean that Ukraine would not receive the military assistance. I don’t think there’s any other rational way to understand “stalemate” in this context. When military assistance is “dependent” on the public announcement of an investigation into Hunter Biden’s company, that’s a quid pro whether one uses the label or disavows it.

Fortunately, soon after Taylor complained to Sondland about the withholding of aid for domestic political purposes, the hold on aid was lifted. Ukraine received the military aid and, to my knowledge, did not agree to investigate the Bidens.

Thus, the most we can say is that aid was held up for maybe two months while the Trump administration used it as leverage to try to get Ukraine to investigate his chief (at the time) rival for the presidency. We cannot say that aid was denied.

How serious an offense is it for a president to withhold aid for a few months because the recipient hasn’t agreed to investigate his political opponent? Pretty serious, in my view.

Corruption is rampant in Ukraine and around the globe. There was no reason for Trump to fixate on one Ukrainian company, Burisma, other than the fact that Hunter Biden was associated with it. And there was no reason for Trump to fixate on Hunter Biden other than the fact that his father might well be Trump’s opponent in 2020.

Some will disagree with me as to whether there is a serious offense here. There’s not much point in arguing about it. One either sees significant impropriety or one doesn’t.

But those who don’t might ask themselves whether they would see a major problem if, under the same facts, it was President Obama who withheld the aid and Donald Trump whom Obama insisted had to be investigated before it could be released.

The offense would be more serious if Trump hadn’t ultimately released the aid. In that scenario, I think there would be a case for impeaching him. But that scenario didn’t happen so I don’t have to assess how the substantial the case for impeachment would be if it had.



TOPICS: Government; Military/Veterans; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: billtaylor; impeachment; ukraine
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To: SeekAndFind

This guy is huge Never Trumper .

Why did you post this Trump haters garbage .

Remove it .

He is a. DC swamp monster .

Bush bot.


41 posted on 10/23/2019 8:28:59 PM PDT by ncalburt (Gop DC Globalists)
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To: SeekAndFind

Fake News


42 posted on 10/23/2019 8:30:34 PM PDT by Mat_Helm
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To: ncalburt

RE: Why did you post this Trump haters garbage .

So that FReepers can refute his reasoning.


43 posted on 10/23/2019 8:30:35 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (look at Michigan, it will)
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To: SeekAndFind

I knew you were a Never Trumper .

Posting crap from Allahidiot .
Salem media , a trump hate site .

But this crap outs you ,

You need to be zapped here .


44 posted on 10/23/2019 8:32:12 PM PDT by ncalburt (Gop DC Globalists)
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To: DesertRhino
“Taylor is a West Point grad. He served in Vietnam. He was appointed ambassador to Ukraine by George W. Bush and asked to return to the diplomatic corps as charge d’affaires in Ukraine by Mike Pompeo.”

Why does Powerline omit Taylor's deep Atlantic Council and McCain links?

45 posted on 10/23/2019 8:34:41 PM PDT by montag813
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To: SeekAndFind

When Schiff pulled the “parody” stunt that should have been the end of this joke.

Schiff pure and simple lied, fabricated facts against the actual transcript. That is a crime.


46 posted on 10/23/2019 8:36:19 PM PDT by conservativepoet
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To: chris37

I read his opening testimony before the questions began. The guy wasn’t kept in the loop who had been years the top dog....after Trump he lost his place in the fold.....angry that others were being informed and he was sidelined. Like people who have been in a position too long he constantly referred to “not knowing’ what others knew.....his tone could be ‘heard’ just reading what he said.

He told Pompeo on his first meeting with him that if the policy changed at all about Ukraine getting money he would not support it and quit.....that was from the get go so he wanted control or he’d leave.

Just another Obama hold over our guys had to work around.


47 posted on 10/23/2019 8:38:04 PM PDT by caww
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To: chris37

I read his opening testimony before the questions began. The guy wasn’t kept in the loop who had been years the top dog....after Trump he lost his place in the fold.....angry that others were being informed and he was sidelined. Like people who have been in a position too long he constantly referred to “not knowing’ what others knew.....his tone could be ‘heard’ just reading what he said.

He told Pompeo on his first meeting with him that if the policy changed at all about Ukraine getting money he would not support it and quit.....that was from the get go so he wanted control or he’d leave.

Just another Obama hold over our guys had to work around.


48 posted on 10/23/2019 8:38:04 PM PDT by caww
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To: SeekAndFind
BS
Nice try at spin
Never Trumper .
You never warned anyone about this clown when posting . Paul M from powerline is a Bushbot like you . He hates Trump .
A DC lawyer swamp monster .

You post non. stop trump haters here .
Allahidiot another Trump hater and Dem . Salem media crap , a trump hate site.

Allahidiot

49 posted on 10/23/2019 8:39:39 PM PDT by ncalburt (Gop DC Globalists)
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To: SeekAndFind

Is Powerline usually a Left publication.

I can’t recall anything I have ever read by them, but this is pure DREK.


50 posted on 10/23/2019 8:39:57 PM PDT by Maris Crane
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To: kaehurowing

His Testimony reads like a woman scorned.....

Here it is for those interested..

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/10/22/us/politics/william-taylor-ukraine-testimony.html#


51 posted on 10/23/2019 8:41:21 PM PDT by caww
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To: ncalburt

RE: I knew you were a Never Trumper .

I voted for Trump. How is that being a NeverTrumper?

RE: Posting crap from Allahidiot .
Salem media , a trump hate site

1) Salem Media is NOT a Trump hate site.

2) Powerline is NOT a Trump hate site. It’s writers MOSTLY support Trump.

3) I also posted articles SUPPORTIVE OF TRUMP. You obviously only want to see what you want to see and ignore my other posts. You believe that FR is a site that should only have articles that support Trump and should not have materials that are not supportive of him. WHY?

Posting materials not supportive of Trump is an opportunity for FReepers to REFUTE them with reason and logic where others can see them. You are obviously unable to do that, preferring to simply read articles supporting him. Is there a rule in FR that says that we should only post articles that make you happy? If so, please show me.

RE: this crap outs you ,

No it does not. It outs you as being unable to respond with reason. You obviously IGNORED all the posts I made in this particular thread REFUTING the writer of this article.

RE: You need to be zapped here

This is not for you to decide. Let’s ask all the other FReepers.


52 posted on 10/23/2019 8:41:26 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (look at Michigan, it will)
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To: ncalburt

See my post #13 to see if I am a Nevertrumper.

BTW, You keep mentioning AllahPundit. This thread has nothing to do with his post. You are confusing Powerline with Hotair.


53 posted on 10/23/2019 8:43:51 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (look at Michigan, it will)
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To: SeekAndFind

The testimony has no t been released. This is leaked information

What the author doesn’t tell you because it’s damning is that under questioning the so called witness admitted that he had NO first hand knowledge only third and fourth hand gossip and rumors


54 posted on 10/23/2019 8:44:05 PM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: montag813

But but...”Nam”. You know, just like McCain, Kerry, Mueller, Powell, etc...


55 posted on 10/23/2019 8:44:57 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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To: Trumpisourlastchance

Mirengoff is a tantruming Never Trumper going back to the primaries. It never takes much for them to get off the Trump Train and take a cheap shot.


56 posted on 10/23/2019 8:46:12 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: ncalburt

RE: You post non. stop trump haters here .

Really? Read these posts:

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3788565/posts

and this :

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3788417/posts

and this:

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3788431/posts

and this:

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3788141/posts

and this:

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3787858/posts

Are these articles from Trump Haters? ( your words, not mine ).

BTW, a word about AllahPundit. Is there a rule in FR that says this particular writer is persona non grata?

If so, Please show me and I will adhere to the rules. If not, I exercise my right to free speech.


57 posted on 10/23/2019 8:49:02 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (look at Michigan, it will)
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To: SeekAndFind
You are full of it .
Don't twist my words.

I did not say Powerline was anti Trump .

I said you did not warned anyone that
Paul M is a huge Never Trumper !

You are spreading lies by a well known Never Trumper that have already been shot down .

Anyone pushing Trump haters like Paul M and Allahidiot
with no warning is a snake .

58 posted on 10/23/2019 8:53:02 PM PDT by ncalburt (Gop DC Globalists)
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To: SeekAndFind

Freedom to spread Trump lies .
Your hobby !
Fraud .


59 posted on 10/23/2019 8:54:16 PM PDT by ncalburt (Gop DC Globalists)
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To: ncalburt

RE: I said you did not warned anyone that
Paul M is a huge Never Trumper !

Do you know how Paul M voted in the 2016 elections? How did you know that he is NeverTrump?

You just accused me of being a NeVerTrumper when I voted for Trump. This makes your calling Paul M a NeverTrumper Not believable. All you’re doing is throwing up the word #NeverTrump ad nauseum when you dislike what a person writes without showing any evidence.

Does not make you any better than those who want to impeach Trump?

RE: You are spreading lies by a well known Never Trumper that have already been shot down

Well, be my guest, shoot his so-called “lies” some more. I did in this thread, add yours.

RE: Anyone pushing Trump haters like Paul M and Allahidiot
with no warning is a snake .

NOPE. Thee writers are NOT persona non grata in FR. If you want to ban their articles, I suggest you talk directly to the moderators, not me. I don’t know of any rules in FR that says their articles cannot be posted.

If people can post CNN, MSNBC, NY Times, WaPo and the rest of the mainstream media, why are posting these writers to be disallowed?


60 posted on 10/23/2019 8:59:00 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (look at Michigan, it will)
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