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Ambassador Bill Taylor's Troubling Testimony
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| 10/23/2019
| Paul Mirengoff
Posted on 10/23/2019 7:25:24 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
Text messages released weeks ago showed that Bill Taylor believed the Trump administration was conditioning the release of military aid to Ukraine on a Ukrainian investigation of Trump’s political opponents. Yesterday, in testimony before Congress, Taylor described the events that caused him to believe this.
If Taylor is telling the truth, he had a sound basis for believing that, for a while, there was a quid pro quo relationship between the release of aid and an investigation by Ukraine of the Bidens. He testified about a conversation with a National Security Council official who informed him that Gordon Sondland, our ambassador to the EU, had told a high level Ukrainain that “security assistance money would not come until President Zelenskyy committed to pursue the Burisma investigation.” Burisma is the company on whose board Hunter Biden served.
Taylor also testified that he asked Sondland whether aid was conditioned on the investigation. Sondland responded that Trump had told him he wants President Zelenskyy to state publicly that Ukraine will investigate Burisma and alleged Ukrainian interference in the 2016 U.S. election and that everything was dependent on such an announcement, including security assistance.
That’s a quid pro quo.
Is Taylor telling the truth? I think so. There’s nothing in his background that suggests he’s a partisan Democrat or sleazy “Deep Stater” who would lie to hurt the president.
Taylor is a West Point grad. He served in Vietnam. He was appointed ambassador to Ukraine by George W. Bush and asked to return to the diplomatic corps as charge d’affaires in Ukraine by Mike Pompeo.
Ask yourself which is more likely, that Trump, the “transactional” president, would scheme as Taylor describes to injure a political opponent or that Taylor would invent a story to this effect. I think it’s former.
Was Sondland telling Taylor the truth about what Trump said to him? Again, I assume so. Why would Sondland misrepresent Trump’s instructions? He had no strong reason to want an investigation of Joe Biden. Trump did.
Later Sondland told Taylor that Trump had insisted there is no quid pro quo. But this seems like a case of exalting labeling over substance (as well as a case of CYA). Indeed, Sondland informed Taylor that he had told Ukraine’s president Zelenskyy that, although this was not a quid pro quo, if Zelenskyy did not clear things up in public, we would be at a stalemate.
Taylor said he understood a stalemate to mean that Ukraine would not receive the military assistance. I don’t think there’s any other rational way to understand “stalemate” in this context. When military assistance is “dependent” on the public announcement of an investigation into Hunter Biden’s company, that’s a quid pro whether one uses the label or disavows it.
Fortunately, soon after Taylor complained to Sondland about the withholding of aid for domestic political purposes, the hold on aid was lifted. Ukraine received the military aid and, to my knowledge, did not agree to investigate the Bidens.
Thus, the most we can say is that aid was held up for maybe two months while the Trump administration used it as leverage to try to get Ukraine to investigate his chief (at the time) rival for the presidency. We cannot say that aid was denied.
How serious an offense is it for a president to withhold aid for a few months because the recipient hasn’t agreed to investigate his political opponent? Pretty serious, in my view.
Corruption is rampant in Ukraine and around the globe. There was no reason for Trump to fixate on one Ukrainian company, Burisma, other than the fact that Hunter Biden was associated with it. And there was no reason for Trump to fixate on Hunter Biden other than the fact that his father might well be Trump’s opponent in 2020.
Some will disagree with me as to whether there is a serious offense here. There’s not much point in arguing about it. One either sees significant impropriety or one doesn’t.
But those who don’t might ask themselves whether they would see a major problem if, under the same facts, it was President Obama who withheld the aid and Donald Trump whom Obama insisted had to be investigated before it could be released.
The offense would be more serious if Trump hadn’t ultimately released the aid. In that scenario, I think there would be a case for impeaching him. But that scenario didn’t happen so I don’t have to assess how the substantial the case for impeachment would be if it had.
TOPICS: Government; Military/Veterans; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: billtaylor; impeachment; ukraine
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To: SeekAndFind
I don’t recall hearing any testimony.
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posted on
10/23/2019 7:28:36 PM PDT
by
chris37
(Where's Hunter?)
To: SeekAndFind
BS. I have known sleazy West Point grads. Wesley Clark comes to mind.
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posted on
10/23/2019 7:28:40 PM PDT
by
jospehm20
To: SeekAndFind
4
posted on
10/23/2019 7:28:53 PM PDT
by
BunnySlippers
(I Love BULL MARKETS!)
To: SeekAndFind
Anybody who didn’t care about Hillary, but cares about this is a useless piece of crap. That is my standard.
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posted on
10/23/2019 7:29:15 PM PDT
by
fhayek
To: SeekAndFind
Secret meetings kept from the public because they’re crooked and fabricate “facts” is a loser’s way.
To: SeekAndFind
Else where, this same author writes:
Byron York (Washington Examiner) identifies five possible explanations for the temporary withholding of military aid to Ukraine that have been put forth by one party or another. The first three are:
(1) Trumps general dislike of foreign aid,
(2) his concern that other countries arent doing enough,
(3) his general concern about corruption in Ukraine.
All are legitimate, perfectly non-corrupt reasons for withholding aid. However, Trumps enemies insist they are not the real reasons or, at a minimum, that additional reasons were also in play.
The alleged additional reasons are:
(4) Trumps desire to see Ukraine assist in an inquiry into matters relating to the investigation of Russia interference in the 2016 campaign and
(5) Trumps desire to see Ukraine investigate the business dealings of Hunter Biden and actions by Joe Biden to further these interests.
That Trump had these desires seems evident from the unofficial transcript of his famous phone conversation with Ukraines president. Whether they were the reasons for the temporary withholding of aid is less clear.
Byron York agrees that motive (5) would be an improper reason for withholding aid. But he disputes that Motive 4 would be the case.
Trumps desire to see Ukraine assist in the 2016 investigation of the investigation was entirely reasonable. . .In fact, some part of the U.S. government has been investigating the 2016 election since at least mid-2016.
There is still an investigation going on Durhams and it would not be unusual for the government to want Ukraine to cooperate. After all, Robert Muellers special counsel investigation sought and received the cooperation of several foreign countries. Investigating 2016 is something that has been standard procedure for the last few years.
As to motive (5) Trumps desire to investigate the Bidens Byron makes an important point: Mick Mulvaney unequivocally denied that it factored into the decision to withhold aid. The mainstream media, though, has suggested otherwise.
So, does the evidence so far establish that aid was conditioned on Ukraine investigating the Bidens?
If so, IS THIS IMPEACHABLE?
These are distinctions that have to be made.
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posted on
10/23/2019 7:30:37 PM PDT
by
SeekAndFind
(look at Michigan, it will)
To: SeekAndFind
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posted on
10/23/2019 7:30:44 PM PDT
by
E. Pluribus Unum
(Democrats only believe in democracy when they win the election.)
To: chris37
Else where, this same author writes:
Byron York (Washington Examiner) identifies five possible explanations for the temporary withholding of military aid to Ukraine that have been put forth by one party or another. The first three are:
(1) Trumps general dislike of foreign aid,
(2) his concern that other countries arent doing enough,
(3) his general concern about corruption in Ukraine.
All are legitimate, perfectly non-corrupt reasons for withholding aid. However, Trumps enemies insist they are not the real reasons or, at a minimum, that additional reasons were also in play.
The alleged additional reasons are:
(4) Trumps desire to see Ukraine assist in an inquiry into matters relating to the investigation of Russia interference in the 2016 campaign and
(5) Trumps desire to see Ukraine investigate the business dealings of Hunter Biden and actions by Joe Biden to further these interests.
That Trump had these desires seems evident from the unofficial transcript of his famous phone conversation with Ukraines president. Whether they were the reasons for the temporary withholding of aid is less clear.
Byron York agrees that motive (5) would be an improper reason for withholding aid. But he disputes that Motive 4 would be the case.
Trumps desire to see Ukraine assist in the 2016 investigation of the investigation was entirely reasonable. . .In fact, some part of the U.S. government has been investigating the 2016 election since at least mid-2016.
There is still an investigation going on Durhams and it would not be unusual for the government to want Ukraine to cooperate. After all, Robert Muellers special counsel investigation sought and received the cooperation of several foreign countries. Investigating 2016 is something that has been standard procedure for the last few years.
As to motive (5) Trumps desire to investigate the Bidens Byron makes an important point: Mick Mulvaney unequivocally denied that it factored into the decision to withhold aid. The mainstream media, though, has suggested otherwise.
So, does the evidence so far establish that aid was conditioned on Ukraine investigating the Bidens?
If so, IS THIS IMPEACHABLE?
These are distinctions that have to be made.
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posted on
10/23/2019 7:31:18 PM PDT
by
SeekAndFind
(look at Michigan, it will)
To: SeekAndFind
It is imperative that the trump hold aid in order to insure a corruption investigation. Of Biden in Ukraine.
Biden is not only the next rival for trump he was the enforcer of a corrupt uktrainian Obama alliance to destroy credible American policies.
To not allow and even require this investigation is to institutionalize Democrat party sabotage dating back at least to clinton gore China corruption.
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posted on
10/23/2019 7:32:10 PM PDT
by
lonestar67
(America is exceptional)
To: SeekAndFind
OMG, the McCain/Kristol Atlantic Council Deep State endless war purveyor, war with Russia is good, enemy of the people BELIEVED something. We are to remove the President because a piece of excrement believed something.
To: jospehm20; chris37; SeekAndFind
The troubling part of his testimony for me was when he admitted to years of child sex trafficking.
To: conservativepoet
It’s looking like this -— This matter boils down to
(1) whether Trump temporarily withheld aid because he ONLY wanted Ukraine to pledge to investigate the Bidens
and
(2) if so, whether this is a grounds for impeachment where the aid was given to Ukraine and Ukraine did not launch such an investigation.
To the number 1 question the answer is -— is there evidence that Biden used his position as VP to leverage US aid to Ukraine in order to help his son monetarily?
If so, I don’t see what the problem is. That is simply enforcing the law. That Biden HAPPENED to be running for President is not relevant and such an investigation HELPS Trump’s re-election campaign is a big — SO WHAT?. The evidence is the most important issue here.
My answer to the second question is: No.
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posted on
10/23/2019 7:35:44 PM PDT
by
SeekAndFind
(look at Michigan, it will)
To: an amused spectator
RE: The troubling part of his testimony for me was when he admitted to years of child sex trafficking.
Are you serious, or are you just saying this for the heck of it?
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posted on
10/23/2019 7:36:25 PM PDT
by
SeekAndFind
(look at Michigan, it will)
To: SeekAndFind
“Taylor is a West Point grad. He served in Vietnam. He was appointed ambassador to Ukraine by George W. Bush and asked to return to the diplomatic corps as charge daffaires in Ukraine by Mike Pompeo.”
A classic POS deep state resume. F him...
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posted on
10/23/2019 7:36:31 PM PDT
by
DesertRhino
(Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
To: SeekAndFind
What testimony is he talking about? We haven’t seen any testimony.
To: SeekAndFind
Someday a Republican...or a representative of the President...will be allowed to be physically present during testimony.
Or maybe not.
To: SeekAndFind
Well I get it - it’s the motivation that counts.
If you’re funneling money to your son then it’s ok to leverage “foreign aid” but if you’re trying to get to the bottom of corruption then ...it’s corrupt to look for corruption.
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posted on
10/23/2019 7:37:55 PM PDT
by
Aria
To: kaehurowing
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posted on
10/23/2019 7:38:19 PM PDT
by
SeekAndFind
(look at Michigan, it will)
To: DesertRhino
The author of this steaming pile of crap neglects to point out that this person is in the Atlantic Council (which supports war everywhere, and especially with Russia) & is connected to Burisma, the outfit that paid the Biden family for influence. As biased a witness as you can get except for the Bidens themselves.
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