Posted on 10/07/2019 10:09:51 AM PDT by RArtfulogerDodger
Your Second Civil War: It Ain’t Happening.
OPINION: By Jeffrey A. Friedberg
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PICTURE: The Real USA General George S. Patton, With Ivory-Handle Revolver.
I have read articles. And I have read “Comments,” that follow the articles. I see references to, “a second civil war.”
I see calls for “molon labe…or for, ‘lock and load.’”
I am told that, “70 million Americans stand ready.” I see other militant opinions, and analyses.
But, in my opinion, there can be no “second civil war.”
Unless whoever commands America at that time is leading it.
If there were to be an armed uprising of any sort, the government — whoever might be in charge — would normally be duty-bound to end it. Put it down. Make arrests. And so-on.
For instance, if Donald Trump were President, it would be his job to suppress any armed revolution.
The same goes for any Democrat President.
That is — as stated, unless one, or the other, were leading it — leading a Second American Revolution. Or civil war.
In 1776, only about a third of the country supported the “First” American Revolution.
In 2019, would a third of America again stand up and fight? Given present differences between Americans during, say, World War II, and today’s Americans — no, I don’t think so.
Especially, since, today, there is no way to hide from an all-seeing Government eye. A super science that can read or hear your every word, recognize your face from space, or fly a Hellfire missile through your bedroom window.
There could be no “secret” meetings. No “underground.” No “spy network,” and no “hiding out among the people.” No “swimming like fish,” among them.
Because if the government doesn’t discover you, somebody on your street will damn sure report you.
Try congregating in groups, or “hardened” shelters, and see what happens. Try showing a gun, or wearing black or camo. Try practicing formations, marching, or training. Try “practice” shooting. Try those things and see how fast things happen.
Let’s be more realistic about all this.
You’re not gonna fight Them from your door. You’re not gonna fight them from your driveway. They could park a tank in front of your house. They could flood the neighborhood with armed troops or “violence suppression units,” and surround you.
You’re not gonna fight “enemy” leaders, by storming their redoubts, because they will be deep underground, in hidden, impervious, protected, well-guarded, government bunkers.
Being even more realistic, let’s say that In 2019, if a third of America were to support an armed revolution, that would be about 110,000,000 people. Enough to make an army? Of course.
But I, personally, doubt that would happen. Not as long as “folks” are comfy, have stuff in the fridge, families to consider, careers, new DC Universe movies, and the legacy media to keep them “informed.”
I mean most people would hide; not all of them, of course, but most would. The average person would probably want to keep their head down and “just live my life.”
Also, we are told that as many as 30,000,000 “folks” — here — are from other countries, and may not feel they owe any allegiance to America.
So — how many would stand up and fight?
I don’t think the entire balance of people would fight.
For the sake of conversation, let’s make things even more realistic, and cut that number of 110,000,000 in half. That leaves maybe 55,000,000. Still enough for an army? Yes. But would all that many “folks” stand and fight? Probably not — no.
Playing the odds, even cutting it in half again, to about 27,500,00, it’s still a lot of “folks.” Except, as stated, we are told some 30,000,000 are not even from here.
So — how many would actually stand and fight? What’s the size of this “army?” How many would be armed? How many would be trained? How many would know what to do against a trained and equipped opposition force? And I’m not talking about single-action, AR-15s, and 9mm Glocks.
I’m talking going up against tanks, missiles, artillery, helicopter gunships, and lots of really big, fully automatic, guns.
Oh — and where, exactly, do “folks” go to have this “revolution?” Who’s in charge? Who decides things? What’s the target? What are the rules of engagement?
PICTURE: The Real Face Of USA General George Washington. Reconstructed.
Who watches over them?
Where do they get drinking water and food?
How many tanks do they have? Jets, missiles, trucks. Where do they sleep?
I hear arguments that “ex-service people and police” — Patriots — stand armed, experienced and ready to fight. That there would — therefore — be no such opposing Force willing to kill fellow Americans.
Duh? What would these ex-service people and police be doing? Handing out pamphlets to the other side? It’s said these are the ones ready to fight. Who will they be fighting?
Will they be shooting people? Killing them? Or, will they be shooting “only to wound?” Just enough to make an example?
Would they really shoot Americans?
Of COURSE!
— There will always be people willing to shoot other people. No matter what “side” they may be on. No matter who they support — whether, the President, or Whomever else may be in charge.
Further, what if there are more than two armies, and not just the imagined, one army of Others, and one army of police, ex-servicemen, and additional “patriots?”
There have always been people ready to pull the trigger. There have always been people who thought it was patriotic, religious, orderly, or just plain fun. Killing would take place on both sides. On all sides.
What if religion or race created even more armies? And everyone had people who could pull the trigger?
What if some inflamed congressman or senator somehow got their hands on a nuclear weapon, and some “patriotic,” willing military, and decided to bomb a “conservative” city? We have already been told that can happen.
Where would this war start? Who would participate? What — or who — would be targeted? What’s the order of battle?
How could this war be ended? Who would be in charge to end it?
And then what? Who won? What System would be dominant? Democracy? Communism? Liberty? Equality? Fraternity? One World? How would that particular System be enforced? Who would enforce it?
Where would America have been — or be, all this time? What would happen to America’s leaders, traditions, Constitution, declarations, documents, and other guiding principles? Would America be poised to unfold like a newly majestic butterfly? Like a blazing phoenix rising from its own ashes?
Or would it be crumbling in some hidden bunker?
What’s the answer?
I don’t know.
I can only hope that Donald Trump exposes mighty powers now working against America. That the American people reject and shun them. That anyone who hates America will be dealt with legally, constitutionally, and finally, forever.
I can only hope there will be no second armed insurrection.
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“ Snipe 18 wheelers on Interstae...”
You want to shoot truck drivers?
To: John S Mosby
Blah, bleah, blah—you’d be asymmetric for about 10 minutes until the gunships showed up :)
Who is going to fly them? Remember 3/4 in the Military voted Trump....
Disable them. Shoot the wheels.
No need to go that far back. Just check out the “no-go” zones in most European countries. Police and emergency services refuse to go there for fear of their lives.
On a macro scale, the Afghans wore down the Russians and the U.S., both powers equipped with tanks and gunships.
I read somewhere that we only have about 350,000 actual trained “warfighters” including reserves. Not sure about National Guard.
And, Trump has 80% approval in the ranks.
I am sure that the generals will see a Democratic coup as an illegal order and stand down.
Also, our military, with many complex systems, is vulnerable to sabotage, if things did go the wrong way. The military would simply just say “systems are not functional” and wait it out.
Vietnam held on thanks to China and the USSR. In fact, Russian solders came into the north to take over logistical items including flying their air force to free up manpower to fight in the south. Their losses were well over 5 million.
Tet was the beginning of the end for the US. there were several other mini-tets after the 68 offensive. Only in 75 when Nixon was gone and the Democrats in Congress stabbed South Vietnam in the back with no more aid, did the south fall.
It would be much different if it happened here. First, the cities would be cut off at various choke points along with gasoline and diesel. The stores would empty in 2 days in a panic. After 5 days the phones would stop after the electricity is cut off. Since most people are reliant on cell phones, they won’t be able to charge them. Also, the cell towers won’t be functioning.
We will be in a horse and buggy environment in a week. China will collapse since our economy won’t be buying from amazon and cars won’t be running with gas at $10 per gallon. Chaos will be the order of the day.
Only those with guns and a health supply of ammo will survive the first month.
Tell that to the CSA. Lincoln invaded the south when your scenario was proved incorrect.
Afghans in flip flops and rusty AK-47s have tied us up for 10 years.
Doger wrote:
“Could be exterminated by gunships, missiles, and bombers by lunchtime.
Pooh, pooh.”
And it would be THIS EXACT over reaction by the Gov that will cause a oppsition to consolidate, galvanize and organize.
As EVERYBODY has a camera, there is no hiding it and sweeping under the rug.
To: RArtfulogerDodger
I read somewhere that we only have about 350,000 actual trained “warfighters” including reserves. Not sure about National Guard.
And, Trump has 80% approval in the ranks.
I am sure that the generals will see a Democratic coup as an illegal order and stand down.
Also, our military, with many complex systems, is vulnerable to sabotage, if things did go the wrong way. The military would simply just say “systems are not functional” and wait it out.
Take down the power grids in key areas and with desertions and in place sabotage in the Military and loss of power,internet at military bases what still active units would have its hands full just trying to control many of these large cities...
Laughing out Loud!
The federal government, the states, and counties, cities and towns combined can’t even win the War on Drugs, let alone stem the opioids and prescription medicine crises, and they’ve been fighting it since I, a relatively old man, have been alive.
Good luck. You’re a traitorous rebel until or unless you win, then you’re the victor and get to write the history books.
I suspect it’s because some people are making a lot of money. Not even sure what winning looks like, in a place like that. I think the Soviet experience showed that they can’t be occupied.
If the ‘rode hard and put away wet’ Left and its allies have their way, the anger on the Right will explode into action, triggered by one single horrific and outrageous act or event. I’m pretty sure there are enough people in the military who will refuse a direct order from above to move against the people, causing the military to slog down into ‘in house dysfunction, enough so as to let municipal and regional militias time enough to organize some sort of opposition. Of course, this opposition will eventually be put down but will leave enough scars as to render the United States of America (as we now know it) as being tottaly unrecognizable and ten notches below a Banana Republic, if having any kind of function or leadership at all.
“Tell that to the CSA. Lincoln invaded the south when your scenario was proved incorrect.”
Totally different. Clear state lines of North vs South back then.
1/2 the people living down South are from liberal Northern areas probably with liberal voting records.
1/2 of my employees lean left or middle of the road. Who shall I kill? The gal who leans left who is prolife and 2nd Amend supporter but is pro gay or the middle of the road employee who leans right but is pro choice?
Yup. Are major overhead power/transmission lines shielded? If not, it would only take a 100’ metal cable to ground them out.
Hard to defend potentially hundreds of miles of tree and scrub land these lines traverse over country.
bkmrk
But the Deep State has uses for Islamist terrorist cells, crime gangs and especially the drug smuggling/people smuggling/weapons smuggling cartels. So the Deep State helps or at least looks the other way. The Deep State would have all its energy against patriots who resist.
The author does not provide any credentials or evidence of expertise to support why his opinion is any better than the next guy.
The nature of war is that it is unpredictable.
The best preventative measure to avoid war is to be very prepared for war. That’s why I advocate getting as prepared as a person can be. For some, that is merely getting a gun and learning how to use it.
What the left would like to force upon us is truly frightening, but they know they cannot do it without disarming us first. Then they would gladly turn America into Venezuela 2, with themselves as the rich, fat cats running it all. But that’s not going to happen here. There will be a tipping point that results in the many aspiring tyrants being sent to their eternal fate.
Anyone who spent time in Afghanistan,Iraq and Syria know full well what the left is facing in the American insurgency. If they assume the military can or will crush it, I again reference those three sh*thole countries. Liberaltopian cities will be choked,starved and in rubble. They will be slaughtered if they try to get relief by air,land or water. Really,it could possibly be a mutually assured destruction of the USA and a country like China getting the spoils.
I got news for the author. If there’s a long-term breakdown in the civil society is will be preceded by a collapse of the economy. Ain’t going to be a mechanized infantry battalion trolling the streets of your neighborhood with helicopters and drones, because NONE of that stuff will be operable and the troops will long since have flown with nobody paying them.
It won’t just ‘happen’. But if it does there will be a confluence of events and a ‘trigger’ will be identified long after it happens by the historians.
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